ok thanks 4 the advise i have managed 2 grow a few really expensive plants after i posted that and now i have bought the 2nd lot of water lol my most expensive plant is costin an auto sale price of around $343 each time so im gettin there lol but im startin 2 breed more of the same now 2 get money up a bit lol i like the stand up cactus they sell really well for around $30 but thanks again 4 the advise much appretiated.