Is it me or are Adept Doctors just plain lazy? Whenever I go back to a game they are "Eating" or "Enjoying the pond". Arrrggghh!! When they are trainees they go around studying until they become adept - great! Then, unless I physically drag them onto the strange plants every time, they stop studying and go wondering off. Any ideas? Am I playing the muppet version?

Please no spoliers.

many thanks!
xx

Patience, grasshopper. You will eventually get a master.

Thanks for replying. Ah, well patience is not my strong point, hence I played VV1 almost entirely by time-shifting - BAD cleeby!

I'm determined to play VV2 properly and I've been playing for a couple of weeks, several hours a day (i'm on garden leave from being made redundant and playing in between job searching!). 3 of my games have been running for around 380 hours. Soooooo should I still be patient?

cheers
xx

Yes, I know you don't want spoilers as was mentioned in your earlier post. So, to not give you any, the only thing that I can say to help is to nudge your adept doctors back over to the plants and make them study. Also, if you have one that is more adept than the other, when someone does become sick; quick move the doc over to the sick one for healing. Other than real spoilers, I don't know what other ideas to give you.

Good Luck.

Thanks. That is what I have been doing. With a scientist, builder, parent and farmer I can leave them to do their thing once they become trainees, but with a doctor I have to physically make them study once they get to adept. This means that the others can become masters of their accord whereas my doctors don't. My people dont really get sick so they dont get much opportunity to heal. I suppose my question is am I doing it right and just being impatient or is there something else I need to do, i.e. research more or solve a puzzle first?

Thanks.
xx

Cleeby, I don't know how far you are in the game and what you have in tech. I would try to solve puzzles if you have the requirements. Also, how many people are you training for doctor? If you have a small village, and have several doctors, it might distract from one becoming master.

Good luck.

I have gained level 2 in all the techs and level 3 in farming, science and culture. I have about 70 population and about 4 adult doctors. I have 5 tribes in all and they all seem to be the doing the same. I have solved 9 puzzles in once of the tribes and around 6 to 8 in the other tribes. So I am quite a long way into it.

My strategy is to have roughly the same number of people doing the same types of job, so they have an even spread of skills. I have a spreadsheet recording who does what so that I can keep on track with them all. I change their jobs if I get impatient with a task and decide that I need loads of builders, then I change them back to their original jobs once a task is completed.

I don't want to reduce the number of doctors too much in case one of them suddenly dies and then I am stuck without an adept doctor when i need one for a puzzle or event that I haven't yet come across.

I might just have to be brave and change one tribe to only having one doctor and see if that works.

Thanks for answering and being really great at not giving me any spoilers. I just want to make sure I'm not being a doofus!

Thanks.
xx

Cleeby, not a spoiler -- you are NEVER without someone to heal!

Spoiler text hidden, since the original poster specifically asked for NO spoilers. well, my best strategy for getting a master doctor is to make a stew that makes everyone sick, then having the doctor you want to be a master heal them all. It's great if you have a really high population--healing 89 villagers gives the doctor a LOT of skill. And I also noticed that even though the doctors will wander off, if you have enough people in the hospital they will eventually come back and heal them on their own.

I also noticed that sick villagers stay sick for many "years" before they die.:?

Ok well I really don't have any sick people - honest. they just occasionally sneeze and a doc comes rushing to heal them then thats it.

OK OK I gave up and I looked at the white text spoiler! well i was on the right track I suppose. I had thought about making them sick after reading margi's post. But thats a bit mean surely? i dont know if I want to 'make' them ill!

i dont have a stew recipe yet that makes them ill. hmmm.... not sure if I can be that horrid to my poor little ones. I have found one that tastes nasty but I dont think it makes them sick or maybe they havent eaten enough of it.

Well thanks Margi and kactus, at least I understand what I need to do now. Happy Cleeby
xx

Cleeby, you just couldn't hold out could you; you just had to read that text. LOL. I was really trying not to give you a spoiler. Remember, there are many events -- some good; some not so good and some just real bad.

Good luck and be kind to your villagers.

LOL i am terribly impatient! but the important thing is I found the stew recipe all by myself so I only half cheated

thanks again for your help.
xx

I can't make my little people ill either. When they sneeze they are healed immediately. I do have a stew recipe that heals everyone to a full heatlh meter. So I use that periodically. Some of my elders have passed but from old age not poor health.

I agree arislyn! And I do the same, this stew is really helpful! I never make a stew that make them ill (or sick? I don't know the difference nor what is the worst because in French it's the same word : malade) I cannot decide on it!

laurence,

Ill and sick are more or less the same and so you can use either to translate the French malade. "To be sick" can also mean "to vomit" (vomir).

Thanks a lot!
( you speak french?)

Un petit peu. J'en ai oublié presque tous.

In english please I can only speak a bit of french.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

Oh translator. Merci

Sorry! that puts back my poor head!
(Thank you Arnie, I have just translated this text with your assistance! )

C'est rien!

Don't rely too much on online translators like Babelfish! Great fun can be had by entering a short sentence and translating from (say) English to French and then taking the translated text and turning it back from French to English. Often the result bears no resemblance to the original. Even better, try something like English > French > German, then German > English.

Um .. we are getting a little off topic here.

Just a bit!

the drs are always off task, so its not that bad to get a little off topic in a thread about drs.....

lol good point!

i would keep dragging him on the plants and till he is a master then he wont be lazy.

I don't see the langage for polish as we have a lot of polish where I work on the farm.

Ugh, my doctors never seem to gain skill LadyCFII, how many heals does it take for a doctor to gain a noticable amount of skill? And do u have to wait for them to completely finish healing or just remove them when it says "This Villager has Improved at Healing?"

Same here !!!!!!! I get soooooo about it and have never had a master doc yet!

PS They NEVER go back to studying the plants!!!!!!!!!!!

You're right! They never go back to studying the plants...unless you drag them to one about 4 or 5 times a day. I've gotten many Master Doctors in this way, and, once you get them over a certain Adept level, some will become Master Doctors on their own. Some get it through age, and some through heritage. I've had one as young as 16, and most of my older doctors are Masters. It's work, but it can be done.

It seems that it's very difficult, even impossible; to have master doctors before the game is "completed"!! I never had some before that too. And it's the same when your doctors have others skills than healing, they always prefer to do something else and they never go back to studying the plants by their own (as building. I noticed that they like to make exercise and if they succeed, they get some building skills!) I have some villagers who became master doctors by their own after I completed the game and only if it's their only skills. Many of them were trained to heal sick villagers when they were kids! Take care, if you have a doctor who is a runner, he is each time the first to heal and so the other doctors fail!!

I don't know exactly how many heals it takes to have a noticeable amount of skill but it could be from5 until 10 times (each heal is a little noticeable, anyway)
Remove them after it says "This villager has improved at healing" and when their acting is "nothing".

I also noticed, but I'm not sure, that a villager selected with healing skill (without any other skills) will study the strange plants by his own until he become adept doctor. And then he stops and passes his time to do many things else! To become a master doctor would depend of the opportunities to heal.
I'm not sure of that and if somebody has noticed the same things, please tell it me!

It is very noticable that they do not go back to the herbs after they reach adept status... This is what is sooooo frustrating about it and to take that time to make people sick just to get one or two master healers is not truly worth it!!! It makes me mad that they do not go back to the herbs like they did in VV1 at least in VV3 let them go back every 2 or 3 days to get healing experience!!

I never make my villagers sick and I have at least 3 or 4 master doctors among 10 doctors!! but I don't know how and why. Except if one of them "likes Medicine", I suppose he the fist to heal!! or if they have a lot of healing skill when they are very young!

But I agree with you, it's very frustrating!!

I generally start my doctors off young, by using them to heal when they are kids. Usually they'll be an apprentice doctor and become trainess when they turn 14. They'll usually study the plants on their own until they get to adept level, as laurence says; after that they have to be dragged there every time. What with dragging them to the plants and healing the villagers' ailments, most of my doctors make master and several go on to become Elders. It does seem to need some time though. The village needs to be in the late stages (after the puzzles have been completed) as until then they are best used on other tasks, with doctoring just being a sideline.

What I do is, pause the game when someone sneezes, go through the peeps and take the doctor over to them. Other than that look at the stews, thats all I'm saying.

I've just had my adept doctor heal more than ten people, I waited until his status was "nothing" and he is still adept and has gained NO noticeable amount of skill.

Read the first two posts of mine in this thread to see how skill development works.

I found that the only way to get a master doctor is if your villager don't have another skill or have a island event, or the gong grants one that rings the gong wisdom sometime becomes a master doctor.

As said Barbara, it's really longer to go from Adept to Master than from Trainee to Adept!!
And yes, the events and the Gong may help a lot!
The "likes/dislikes" may also help! some of my doctors like Medicine or Herbs!

Mine dislikes Laundr well, that's good at least. I think he dislikes resting, but he's a typical pond doctor LOL

Of all the Docs I tried.... MINE LIKES MEDICINE!! But will not practice it and also i had another who also LIKES HERBS, which is truly weird when they dont like to study the herbs oir practice medicine....

I believe if you are patient and persistent you should be able to just keep dropping them there and that skill will build. I only had one that this sorta didn't work with. I kept trying to get her to fish and she kept running from the water. She tends the garden though.

As Yosemite Sam might say: "Rassan' frassan' rickin' frackin' laaaaazy doctors!"

It seems slightly skewed that other villagers continue to do what it is that they're tasked, but doctors do nothing but laze about in the pond, get a drink, cool their feet. For heaven's sake I can't get my Master Scientists to do anything else.

You're right that you always have someone to heal, but I kinda like my peeps to have a wide skill-set. Plus, it makes it more worthwhile when you're taking time out to drag *four* of the lazy bums back to the bush they're avoiding like the plague. Takes as much time as it would with one!

*giggles* And I guess I was too squeamish. I made the "sickening" stew, but I didn't MAKE anyone eat it. I just made sure the doctor was around if they did.

Doctors are the most Lucky of all villagers

3 reasons

1.They get to rest when there is no work

2.They have to be scolded to do their work

3.They don't have to do anything when we're not playing

As long as you don't "invisible" your doctors

yep

If you think about it, that mirrors real-life doctors quite accurately.

In RL, doctors can only do so much studying; they then have to learn from experience with real cases of sick people.

It's not really true that they don't do anything when we're not playing. Lots of times I've opened a game to discover a doctor has advanced to Master while the game is off. A glance at the log file will often show them looking for sick people to heal, and successfully healing them. In addition, young doctors generally advance to adept on their own by studying the strange plants whether the game in on or off, as mentioned in other posts above.

My Docs are always doing laundry. Maybe they have a lot of scrubs to keep clean?? I never knew laundry was such an important part of practicing medicine!

Arnie, you da bomb! I totally forgot about the log file. I'll have to check it and see what they're up to while I'm not looking over their tiny shoulders.

Thanks for the tip!

One of the three skills of most of my Esteemed Elders is Doctor. In the first few games I played, I often chose Building as one of the skills, but since that is so time consuming, I changed to Medicine. As soon as a child turns 14, I cross-train it by dropping it on the crops, the ocean, and equally on herbs and at the research area. I dont set a preference skill. Every time I open the game, I check the skill bars, and when I notice that some of my villagers are getting behind in medical skills, I train them on the herbs (in the right upper corner you can train three villagers at the same time). In that way, they get their totem ten years earlier than the villagers with building skills (I do need some builders, of course).

Ah GOOD Jolandet!!! I always also check their health meter ... it will let you know what they DON'T like to do if they are stressed the meter will go down, at which point I help them train in another skill. I also like to give them a choice some do better than others in a particular skill, and it doesn't hurt to be "well-rounded". When my villagers get to elderly status, unless they are completely happy at what they are doing, I usually take the check mark off, in case they want to do something different.

ALSO ... in real life, healing is NOT JUST ON THE OUTSIDE ... or in the physical .... doing even everyday chores, relaxing on the beach, dancing, enjoying the pool, eating, getting a drink of water, etc. aids in healing the mind and spirit as well ... so PART of the healing is not just for others, BUT FOR THEMSELVES. They might not show it in the skill bar so much, but you might notice that usually their health bar is way up there!!!

Ever hear of the saying "Physician, HEAL THYSELF?" How about "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy?" LOL

I guess it is just everyone's perspective on how they operate ... I practice holistic healing and see things from a slightly different view than most people who are workaholics, or always have to be DOING something busy. Relaxation is a PART of the healing process, to help us keep ourselves balanced. The creators of VV2 seem to be echoing real life to a certain degree, and all of these little "side tasks" are a part of everyday real living. Life isn't always ALL goal oriented. When you get to a certain level in the game, where all of the preprogrammed "tasks" have been met, all of the collections have been collected, all milestones and levels achieved, you have enough tech points to help fully outfit another five tribes to the max and the only thing you can use them for is giving your villagers new clothing, and they have enough food to last 100 years without any farming at full 115 villager capacity -- seeking your villagers well being and helping the doctors and lighting the fires could possibly become your primary concerns ... they do things on their own. It's also nice to see some events too.

O. but I don't give them any particular task from the beginning, I train them in three skills from age 14 on. And it is possible to enjoy life at the max, because they can do what they want, because by not calling them doctor, I void banning the healers from community life: they can choose between all other tasks and normal island relaxations. By not calling them doctor, they live life more to the full, I think.....
And I answered the question "How to get a Master Doctor ....., did not go in to the question as how I see life to be lived. Besides, compared to the live of the Builder, I think a training of a few minutes in herbs every time I open the game preferable to a life of a builder, who wastes his life away by needlessly examning and fixing huts that are completely in order.

But now another question ..... you say you see life from a different, a holistic view than most peop-le who are work aholocs. I wonder about this. What do you mean, are all people who dont look at life from a holistic view work aholics? Or are all people who work automatically work aholic? Or is just anybody who does things in another way than you automatically a work aholic whithout an holistic view. I know I am terribly off topic, but this phrase puzzled me a lot.

Oh!! did not mean anything in a negative way ... not my intention to slight anyone ... we all have our own ways to live. Whatever way works for others is great. W(holistic) means taking into consideration all levels of living, not just how the physical affects life, but how the other levels of who we are are affected. Some people are perfectly happy and healthy being at a fast pace ... while others get stressed out at that same pace, and need to find their balance point.

That is why I like this game so much ... they move around at a leisurely pace, take time to relax, enjoy, have fun, as well as getting the laundry done, the huts fixed, the research studied, and the plants studied. Yes, you get an occasional runner, but he/she LIKES to do it, and one time, I was a little short on young doctors (most were reaching elderly age) so I set him to doctoring, and he was the quickest one to help if someone needed help and was very happy and healthy doing so and made master quicker than anyone else. I guess I'm just telling you a little personal info on how I like to go about my days :).

By the way, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

And a very, very happy New Year to you!

No, I was sure you did not mean anything negative, but I was so interested in your view, and I was a little bit puzzled about what you said. I was interested, because I am developing some coaching/teaching/training-programmes for a "Re-integration-Bureau". This business was created, because in our country we have just a year ago implemented a totally new law for employees who get ill. Where I live,over the past ten years the views of what is to be called a sickness, and how it is to be treated have completely, completely changed. And for people that suffer from workaholic behaviour and get sick because of it, our doctors now advise: after a short rest, get back to work, even if you are not yet feeling well at all (either in your own company, or if the patient is not up to that yet, in a re-integrarion bureau) and by doing so, try to solve the workrelated problems.
The company the patient worked for when he/she got sick, has to pay the salary for two years and is during those two years fully responsible for a good programme of re-integration.
So that was the reason your post interested me so much.

I am very sorry you thought that I felt that there was something negative in your post: I must have formulated my post in a clumsy way.
So my goal for 2008: formulate better posts!

Looking forward to meeting you on the forum again.

Happy New Year Everyone! Jolandet, Rainbowlady, what a good start to the New Year--seeing a possible misunderstanding resolved so quickly & kindly! And you've inspired me to try that method in my new village. I've always force-worked the poor little guys before. Training in building is easy in the beginning,(and I want those gong pieces, quick) but such a struggle after that. On real-life work styles: you can create a workaholic--the company I worked for made us work on quota, & it became such a race to meet goal each day, I would still be in "speed-mode" at bedtime! It was the same for my co-workers. It was very tiring, and the work was boring. It got so I was impatient in every aspect of my life--hurry, hurry! I'm retired now, & enjoy relaxing-I have plenty to do. Now I have to let my little people relax & enjoy their paradise.

Well, this is the result of the more relaxed training. I only selected task if they were falling behind in a specialty. 'Course sometimes their chosen task was "enjoy the pond"!
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You know what's funny? Sometimes, they NEED direction or they get stressed out, too! I find that if I don't check off something, a few will wander about and be bored, or their life meter will go down ...

Well I guess like just in real life, some people need to be directed, while others are pretty much fine on their own. It is all on an individual basis, and no one way can be applied to everyone "in toto". I just have to be vigilant and aware and check up on them once in a while to see how it's going.

Hope everyone is having a great day!!
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One event has a sack with mice or ants that bite. You can get a head start on healers if you ... believe it or not ... drop the KIDS on a person who is sick from the bites, they will heal someone and they will gain some healing knowledge on their meters!!!! ALSO ... when someone is sick, drop ANY villager on them and they will not start kissing ... they too will heal the person, and they don't even have to be set on Healing to do so!!! (personally, I think it is good for everyone to have a little healing knowledge!!!)

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