OK, I started a new game on the desktop, its disconnected from the internet connection, I havent been using it anyway, I have several other computers here in my house. I really dont even feel like trying this again, its getting old, every time I make progress I lose the game. I never had any problems in VV, I had games that went on for months, never a single problem. They were self sustaining and would always have food and tech points, so they went on forever. Anyway, IM giving it one more try, its too bad, I was really excited about this, I had a lot of fun with the first one and ever had any issues.