It is a hoot to come here and see that everyone feels exactly the same as i do even though im completely mental. lol id still be struggling with the first vv though if it wasnt for this forum, i was soo lost, i thought the GC puzzle, was some kind of _bug_ lol, thats what it looked like to me b4 its solved. couldnt figure out where i find the _bug_, so i came to get help, well was i suprised. hehe