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#55698 - 02/20/07 03:46 AM Tech points and capitalism
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Tech points = Capitalism

although I love the gave , I love point and click puzzle games , Like Syberia, A great game

what I am saying is:

I can see what needs to be done be in order to adavance I dont need brain power, I need Tech points, eg Money , surely this hunter gatherer society wouldn't have tech point , maybe they should barter in skils or speed.

but as I said cute game great concept , but as a player I dont wont to buy my way out I would rather find it... without tech points!!!
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#55700 - 02/20/07 03:47 AM Re: Tech points and capitalism [Re: Pinkfish]
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tech points aren't money

it is more akin to knowledge

they learn how to do thing, how to make things

they advance their society by learning and doing research
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#55705 - 02/20/07 03:55 AM Re: Tech points and capitalism [Re: eyeshigh]
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but without enough of them there points you cannot move on , although YOU know what to do , just happens your researcher/s is pregnant... I knew I needed master builders and good farmers , what I am saying is: , I have 3 master builders , and one master researcher, if your gonna give out tech points for knowledge give it to the builders, and the farmers too!!

sorry a bit of a rant , but \i like to feel all in this society are equal and all have to survive, thus have a job to do , do a certain degree of this so called money , ok tech points should be given to those who reach master in another job



rant over!!


sorry

red faced and blushing now, ... second post ^ was my first up there


so Hi by the way , i'm 40 and probably should leave this game to the kids lol


Edited by Pinkfish (02/20/07 04:01 AM)
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#55710 - 02/20/07 04:06 AM Re: Tech points and capitalism [Re: Pinkfish]
eyeshigh Offline
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lots of 40somethings play the game \:\) welcome to the board!

the builders and the farmers contribute in other ways to the society, so they don't get tech points

the kids can get tech points for the society in vv2 tho
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#55714 - 02/20/07 04:23 AM Re: Tech points and capitalism [Re: Pinkfish]
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The tech points do go to the farmers and the builders, even if indirectly... it's how both of them get better technology

Note added: This analogy may not be historically correct, but it will serve the purpose. The research grants go to the scientist; the scientist develops the combine harvester but he's not the one who uses it—it's the farmer.


Edited by bajantara (02/20/07 04:31 AM)

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#55730 - 02/20/07 04:46 AM Re: Tech points and capitalism [Re: bajantara]
Pinkfish Offline
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I know what you are saying , I am just stating a personal preference ... as I first said , : but as I said cute game great concept , but as a player I dont wont to buy my way out I would rather find it... without tech points!!!


I would like to use my brain to solve the puzzles, not once you have enough tech points the puzzles solve themselves, .. if you know what I mean

I mean no malice,

I actually like this game so much its 4 am and I am worried about my little Island friends I paused them to join this forum ... OMG I know and now I must sleep!

thanks for the replies

pinky going to bed!


Edited by Pinkfish (02/20/07 04:47 AM)
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#55735 - 02/20/07 04:50 AM Re: Tech points and capitalism [Re: Pinkfish]
squawky Offline
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Registered: 04/12/06
Posts: 596
Loc: New England
I like to think of that part of the game as a puzzle itself -- how to keep your villagers fed and your village growing while you gather enough tech points to learn something new.

Sometimes that part is harder than solving the puzzles the first time through \:\)

-- jen

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#55743 - 02/20/07 05:04 AM Re: Tech points and capitalism [Re: squawky]
Borg Offline
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Registered: 01/27/07
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Loc: Maryland, USA
It takes a certain amount of effort to develop new farming methods or new ways to construct buildings. The technology points just keep track of how much effort has been expended.

I think the reason you object to the current system is that it certainly appears as though they are just doing generic research on nothing in particular, and this generic effort can then potentially be spent on any specific technology, but once it is spent it is used up and cannot be applied to anything else. This system does not seem realistic.

So instead, just pretend that you told the scientists before they did any research that you want them to work on advances in farming. When you have enough tech points to advance your farming technology and you buy it, just pretend you now tell your scientists to work on engineering.

On the other hand, one might argue successfully that people who are expert medical researchers are generally not qualified to be expert architects or farmers and vice-versa.

It is at this point someone should stop me and say "It is only a game!!"

\:\)

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#55745 - 02/20/07 05:08 AM Re: Tech points and capitalism [Re: Pinkfish]
Lythanda Offline
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Registered: 11/14/06
Posts: 70
Nice concept, but you won't solve the puzzles without tech points, Pinky. Face it, would you be able to make tools without some level of learning? The caveman developed tools after years of learning and experimentation. Tech points represent this type of learning.

Most puzzles require a certain level of Tech (learning) before you can solve them. They do not solve themselves as soon as you have the tech. You will still have to figure out how to solve the puzzles even when you have all the tech levels. Some puzzles require other puzzles to be solved first also.

The tech points in the game are not money, it represents how hard the islanders worked to learn their environment in order to work their way through the problems facing them. Except when it comes to new outfits for the villagers, that's vanity and it should cost something to indulge that.

Don't worry, masters are required in other areas also to solve some puzzles. It takes teamwork and community effort to survive the island. No one 'buys' their way out of it unless they cheat.
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#55746 - 02/20/07 05:09 AM Re: Tech points and capitalism [Re: Borg]
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Stop. It is only a game! rofl

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