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#53977 - 02/17/07 06:11 AM I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!!
cyndi56 Offline
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Hi all I love, love, love, the new village , but I think there is is either a glich or I'm cheating . I was not getting a whole lot mushrooms or collectables after awhile -well I was getting but few and far between. I started taking the childern one at a time up to the sacred area for the dead and placing them under the big purple leaf they stay ther of a few seconds and leave and boom I get mushrooms, and collectables at once I mean 99 % of the time. I feel like I 'm cheating. But I want to think the they are communicating with the elders and the elders are advising them. But I'm thinking it's like the mushroom caper of VV1 LOL LOL


Edited by cyndi56 (02/17/07 07:21 AM)

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#53990 - 02/17/07 07:11 AM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: cyndi56]
Jamina Offline
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I tried the same, and yes mushrooms and collectable items are popping up everywhere lol

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#53994 - 02/17/07 07:16 AM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: Jamina]
cyndi56 Offline
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Arthur will see this tomorrow an get to the bottom of it. I just feel like I'm cheating and I'm not into the whole trying to get done the fastest I just like playing. I get a smile on my face everytime one of thoses kids laughs. LOL

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#53995 - 02/17/07 07:21 AM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: cyndi56]
lonewo1f Offline
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Posts: 45
Loc: Minnesota USA
LOL that is definatly a cool "trick" i tried it too and got a few mushrooms and collectables took several attempts though. I too have been getting hardly any collectables so its actually nice to see some!!!

~lonewo1f

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#53996 - 02/17/07 07:24 AM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: lonewo1f]
cyndi56 Offline
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I think I'm going to go with the Elder theory LOL

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#53999 - 02/17/07 07:28 AM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: cyndi56]
lonewo1f Offline
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LOL that would be a good theory \:D

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#54036 - 02/17/07 02:05 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: lonewo1f]
Anji Offline
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Hahahaha......... certainly looks like that is happening. However, collectibles come in 3's, so I really just think its coincidence although I may be wrong - it has been known LOL !!

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#54059 - 02/17/07 02:51 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: Anji]
Jaayar Offline
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Registered: 02/16/07
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Loc: Up the river with no paddle
Great find cyndi, well done
It also works if you drag a child to any of the big purple flowers or any of the four extreme corners of the playing area.

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#54065 - 02/17/07 03:13 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: Jaayar]
redhddchk Offline
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I'm not convinced...I tried both the leaf and the four corners, and it only seems to work as often as not, which makes me think the goodies would have shown up regardless....
But if it's working for you, I'm jealous!

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#54067 - 02/17/07 03:21 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: redhddchk]
igottapi4 Offline
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it doesnt work for me , exactly what purple plant is it?

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#54086 - 02/17/07 03:50 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: igottapi4]
Rayhne Offline
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Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But at least when I drop the kid up there, I know where she is!

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#54087 - 02/17/07 03:51 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: igottapi4]
bajantara Offline
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No difference here either

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#54096 - 02/17/07 04:14 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: bajantara]
turtlezrock00 Offline
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Registered: 02/12/07
Posts: 39
I have tried putting a child under the purple flower, and most of the time I get collectables, but sometimes it doesn't work. But, I have made a decision not to use this "cheat" unless it is used as a last last last resort.
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#54107 - 02/17/07 04:55 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: turtlezrock00]
Borg Offline
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this community can easy substantiate or refute this claim. if you wish to participate, continue reading:

null hypothesis: child at purple flower increases rate of collectibles.
vs.
alternate hypothesis: child at purple flower does not affect rate of collectibles.

condition #1: for 15 minutes, continue to place child at purple flower and count the number of collectibles that appear.
condition #2: for 15 minutes, keep children away from purple flower and count the number of collectibles.

post your results in a response (how many collectibles appeared during each 15 minute period). After we have a statistically significant number of responses, we can decide which hypothesis is more likely to be true.

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#54111 - 02/17/07 05:03 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Borg]
bajantara Offline
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Generally accept the principle, but the variant that will affect it is that in any regular 15 minute period, no set number of collectibles/mushrooms appears... it's randomized, so even checking #2 against #2 in 4 different 15-minute segments will give very varying results.

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#54119 - 02/17/07 05:16 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: bajantara]
Borg Offline
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bajantara,

i've worked with statistics for many years. the fact that it is randomized is a good thing. experiments such as the one i described are designed for randomized events. that is why just one persons observations are not sufficient, but many people in our community need to do the experiment, post their results here, and then we can evaluate the results. we need approximately 30 people to do this experiment for the results to be meaningful with a p<0.05

If you do not understand p<0.05, don't feel bad. Most laypeople do not understand it. Here is a short explanation about significance, p-value, null hypothesis testing, etc:
http://www.stats.gla.ac.uk/steps/glossary/hypothesis_testing.html#sl

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#54124 - 02/17/07 05:26 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Borg]
redhddchk Offline
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wow, Borg, I'm impressed. That's way too much thinking for me, on the weekend! And I found out the hard way I don't have the patience to search for ANYTHING for 15 minutes straight, so I'm sorry, I can't help. But I'm curious to see your results....

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#54125 - 02/17/07 05:28 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Borg]
bajantara Offline
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#54133 - 02/17/07 05:36 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: bajantara]
Lady Emz Offline
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It's more lavender than purple for those who can't find it. It's kinda spiky and is north of the gravestones.
It is in between the yellow and blue flowers. I hope this helps.
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#54134 - 02/17/07 05:38 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Borg]
cyndi56 Offline
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Loc: Stockton, Ca-USA
It's not a purple flower, it looks like a long purple leaf with a V shape cut out of it. But I'm With Turtlezrock I'm just not going to use it.

Bajantara & Borg ya all are way to techno for saturday morning - how do you do it. LOL


Edited by cyndi56 (02/17/07 05:41 PM)

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#54138 - 02/17/07 05:43 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Lady Emz]
Marielle Offline
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Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 25
*spoiler*



That would be the herb that also goes into the stew...I tried the lavender/purple bush of roses, right to the gong.
If you drop a child there, it always pops into a certain place.
Dunno - could be coincidence, could be a secret hot spot for spawning these items.

Anyway, I get the feeling the more uitems you pick up (no matter if you already got them or not) the faster new ones appear.

Of course, always the ones I dont need *Murphys law* LOL

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#54150 - 02/17/07 05:59 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Marielle]
squawky Offline
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Loc: New England
Interesting, but not really working for me. I see collectibles sometimes after dropping kids on various purple plants (since everyone has a different favorite), but it doesn't work for me repeatedly.

Thinking this is completely coincidence -- if collectibles tend to appear every 5-10 seconds, and you are dropping kids on purple plants once every 5 seconds, it will seem like the two are related even if they aren't.

Another test -- pick another random spot in the village and see if dropping kids there seems to make collectibles appear.

(I like Borg's idea, but don't have 30 free minutes to spare at the moment \:\( ).

-- jen

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#54152 - 02/17/07 06:00 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Marielle]
Nothamoma2 Offline
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For Borg's experiment maybe do the 15 min intervals at the top of each hour?

All I know is that I hadnt had a mushroom or collectable for about 20 min. , dropped one of my kids on the purple leaf and voila, a mushroom, starfish, butterfly, back to back. *shrug* Probably coincidence but it was kinda cool. Dont think I'll use it unless it's in a pinch.

And is it cheating if you found this out accidently??? I dont think so, most of the game is solving puzzles by random placement and observation. \:\)
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#54183 - 02/17/07 06:52 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Nothamoma2]
Marielle Offline
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Registered: 02/15/07
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I know it might be coincidence.
On the other hand, when you programme a game, you need to check things that otherwise should happen randomly. So, chances are high there is a "switch" to spawn collectibles implemented.
In the huge pc games, programmers implemented consoles with their own commands to check & test the game (later on, those are the cheat codes in the game ;\) )

That just makes me think....


Edited by Marielle (02/17/07 06:53 PM)

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#54195 - 02/17/07 07:30 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Marielle]
Morigale Offline
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Registered: 07/20/06
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Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: Marielle

Anyway, I get the feeling the more uitems you pick up (no matter if you already got them or not) the faster new ones appear.

Of course, always the ones I dont need *Murphys law* LOL


That might explain why I get so many items! I check around the village every couple of minutes and there's usually something to pick up, so I do. *obsessive*

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#54196 - 02/17/07 07:32 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: squawky]
mindilj Offline
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Registered: 02/17/07
Posts: 7
SPOILER!!!!







I have found if you drop your kid on the purple flower north of the gravestones (there is 3 or 4 there, not the ones for the stew and not the bush ones) they almost look like a rock.. and if the kid info under action says "curious about strange flower" you will get a collectable or mushroom. I have personally done this about 20 times (yes I know some consider it cheating) but I just keep dropping the kid until it says curious about strange flower then I go collect my ...whatever it is.........

-- Min

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#54197 - 02/17/07 07:41 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: mindilj]
Marielle Offline
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Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 25
Nice hint, got to try it out.
On the other hand "curious about strange flower" refers to the stew plant.

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#54306 - 02/17/07 10:14 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Marielle]
Peachie Offline
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Registered: 02/15/07
Posts: 27
Loc: UK
I don't think this works, I have tried it a few times and I think it is just coincidence.

The collectable things turn up quite frequently in this game so it is difficult to say for definite.
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#54311 - 02/17/07 10:26 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: Peachie]
CaliBrat Offline
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Registered: 08/30/06
Posts: 124
I too have tried this and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. However, the one thing I did notice was that more often than not I would get a collectible/ mushroom after hearing the wind chimes.

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#54334 - 02/17/07 10:50 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: CaliBrat]
igottapi4 Offline
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Registered: 02/15/07
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\:o I DID IT 8\)

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#54523 - 02/18/07 05:34 AM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: cyndi56]
arcadiarose Offline
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I just tried it. I put various children under the big purple leaf for a total of 15 times, in a row, one right after the other. The result EVERY time: Immediately a collectable popped up (including a rare beetle I needed--cool).
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#54528 - 02/18/07 05:54 AM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: arcadiarose]
Village_Monk Offline
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I afraid i have to call bologna on this one. I dropped a kid 4 times up there and got a couple collectables and thought maybe it was true, after further dropping a kid up there the collectables didnt change in frequency. Dropped him 3 times and nothing had popped up yet.

Collectables in this come very often whether it be mushrooms or other things. The time it takes people to grab a collectable, deposit and then grab a kid and drop them on the purple flower sometimes make it seem like its a cause and effect but its simply just popping up again. IMHO this is false.
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#54533 - 02/18/07 06:53 AM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: arcadiarose]
Star Offline
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Thanks Cindi, this really helped me get through a tough spot in my game.. my food was running really low and nothing was popping up. I read here what you said and so I tried it and I started getting things popping up. Mushrooms too \:\) Now my village is doing great.

And I dont think it is cheating. It is a strategy game.
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#54542 - 02/18/07 07:44 AM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: arcadiarose]
mistymage Offline
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Registered: 11/17/06
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The purple flower didn't help me at all... but what did is:
SPOILER!!!!









If you have 4 kids, hit pause and place them on mushrooms or collectibles .. of the 4, 2 will carry the spoils to wherever they belong.

I haven't tried with more than 4 yet.. 2 on will yield only one item, 3 on will yield only one item.. 4 will yield 2.

I can "stick" my kids on the vines.. sometimes. It's hilarious cos if you stick them towards the bottom they will "zip" to the top of the hill and be stuck. But I ended up just letting the 4 roam.. then hitting pause and using my number pad to zip around to place them as needed.

One time I got a "rare" shell.. and I hadn't collected it before.. with all 4 kids grabbing it I got the "you got the last shell" pop-up _and_ 3000 points! That was the only time all 4 grabbed and held an item.

Now that I have level 3 farming.. I can stop hanging over the game and let it run by itself a bit ... TG cos I have spent way too many hours playing it with no time traveling :-)

Guess I'll have to actually interact with my family LOL!!

~misty
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#54591 - 02/18/07 03:14 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: mistymage]
NavyDood Offline
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I personally think it's coincidence. I have more luck hearing the wind chimes. And that is even coincidence IMO.

I think you all are doing too much Happy Smoke. \:\?


Edited by NavyDood (02/18/07 03:18 PM)

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#54602 - 02/18/07 03:37 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: NavyDood]
redhddchk Offline
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Well, I just put 4 kids onto a red mushroom and 2 collected it, so at least there's that, and it helps!

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#54609 - 02/18/07 04:01 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: redhddchk]
NavyDood Offline
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Posts: 7
Yeah, the pause trick does work. I put 7 kids on a red mushroom and 5 collected it.

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#54689 - 02/18/07 05:59 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to [Re: NavyDood]
JaneAverage Offline
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Registered: 04/21/06
Posts: 6
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Have been experimenting with the pause trick. Works most of the time, although sometimes the object seems to disappear before I get them all there, so only the first one will pick it up. Interestingly, I have two kids (out of six) who will NEVER pick it up, regardless of the order I drag them to it, unless it is a brand new item (in which case they ALL get it).

Very mysterious ;\)

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#54721 - 02/18/07 06:31 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: igottapi4]
lil_villager Offline
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Registered: 01/21/07
Posts: 156
Loc: Hawaii
i tried doing that, but only mushrooms pop up...

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#54728 - 02/18/07 06:41 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: lil_villager]
cyndi56 Offline
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Loc: Stockton, Ca-USA
Hey I thought Arthur fixed the mushroom caper from VV1! I have not tried it on TLC.

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#54743 - 02/18/07 06:56 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: cyndi56]
redhddchk Offline
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Registered: 08/09/06
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Well, they did fix it, in that 2 kids won't pick up one item...but mistymage did the math, and I have tested it over and over, and it works if you put 4 kids on one item, but not 3. Helps when the food gets low....

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#54755 - 02/18/07 07:29 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: redhddchk]
Village_Monk Offline
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i bet it will be fixed in the patch that comes out later this month or early next month now that you posted it \:\)
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#54758 - 02/18/07 07:35 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: Village_Monk]
redhddchk Offline
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Yikes! I bet i will...how do you "unpost?" j/k \:\)

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#57397 - 02/22/07 03:37 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: redhddchk]
nickel Offline
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Registered: 07/17/06
Posts: 24
So which purple plant is it? I've tried it and it doesn't seem to be working... or if it's the purple leaves which one? A screencap would rock. \:\)

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#57493 - 02/22/07 05:53 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: nickel]
VillageMom Offline
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Registered: 02/13/07
Posts: 30
Loc: VA
Well, I tried this and I did not notice any change in the amount of collectibles I was finding. There was definitely nothing that popped up immediately. However, the little girl I tried this with promptly got sick. Probably a coincidence, but I haven't tried it anymore since.

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#57571 - 02/22/07 08:17 PM Re: I think I might be cheating but don't mean to!!! [Re: VillageMom]
Neddog Offline
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Loc: Canada
Phooey, I lost a collectable item (not anything to do with this flower _bug_) because I had another pop up (one I already had), while the kid was bringing the new collectable to the hut. I had another kid pick up the old collectable, and the new one the other kid picked up disappeared. Now I know not to pick up other collectables when you've already got one on the way to the hut.
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