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#198894 - 06/14/09 04:07 PM
Twins and Triplets experiment
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Okay, so I know that twins and triplets are meant to be random, but I thought I'd do an experiment with my family. At the moment the guy I'm playing with was a triplet. He had six kids and in that six was a pair of twins. I'm curious to see whether one of those twins will have a multiple, so I'll be choosing one of them for the next generation. Anyone else experimented with this and had any kind of result? 
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#198896 - 06/14/09 04:15 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: AwesomelyPsycho]
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Registered: 06/11/09
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My triplet Mysti had 5 single births and an adopted child. I'm still optimistic about her grandchildren though.  I have a family with a set of twins and a set of triplets. I am excited to see what will happen with the next generation in that family. (But I'm going to be sad when all 5 leave for college the same morning. *sniff* *sniff*) My third family is the oldest - 5th generation just moved in - but no multiple births yet.
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#198899 - 06/14/09 04:24 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: Joanna]
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I've had two sets of twins and one set of triplets so far, all in the same family. As I said earlier, the twins came in the next generation after the triplets, so I'm curious to see if that helps the odds. Funnily enough, all the multiples have been boys so far, and all my generations have had a majority of males. I hate having singles, only because it means it's a rush to have six kids before time runs out I like my families to run like machines, hehe!
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#198985 - 06/14/09 11:41 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: AwesomelyPsycho]
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Expert
Registered: 06/05/08
Posts: 108
Loc: CA
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Currently playing 5 games. Two have had twins, once, two only singles.....and then there is my multiple family....oddly enough called 'Uno'. On 7th generation, have had twins 3 times and triplets three times, plus 2 generations of singles.
Had this thought....wouldn't it have been fun if Arthur had programmed in little adoptees that were twins or triplets?
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#199005 - 06/15/09 04:49 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: gmomluvsvv]
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Guru
Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 743
Loc: São Paulo, Brazil
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I had twins on 2 generations, but no triplets till now (I'm on my 8th generation, going to the 9th and playing just one game)
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#199013 - 06/15/09 10:55 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: *Moonlyght*]
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Master
Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 514
Loc: South Korea
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Joanna, what do you mean by 'matriarchal' family? Do you just choose one that looks like the mom?
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#199018 - 06/15/09 12:17 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: CherryDrops]
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Master of Meditation
Registered: 09/13/06
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I'm playing four games. Three are up to the eighth or ninth generation, and in each one (handily for the trophies) I've had twins once. I've never seen triplets. The other game is on the first generation and only has two singletons so far.
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#199030 - 06/15/09 02:39 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: arnie]
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Registered: 09/03/06
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I'm playing four families, one is only in its first gen, two others have had one set of triplets each by the third generation, the other family has seen no triplets yet (also in its third gen) but is making up for that by having three sets of twins.
I did do a little experiment, and thought I was getting somewhere when one of my twins grew up and promptly had a set of twins himself, but then he followed that up with three singletons.
Then my control family of all single births turned around and had a set of trips themselves, just to spite me *shakes fist*.
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#199470 - 06/19/09 07:47 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: arnie]
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Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 15
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My experiment failed!  My triplet had twins and my twin had... 5 singles! There goes my theory about genetics :P
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#199474 - 06/19/09 08:20 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: AwesomelyPsycho]
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Master of Meditation
Registered: 09/13/06
Posts: 4896
Loc: London, UK
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I've never had any triplets. For several generations I haven't had any twins, although pairs have been born earlier in three of my games. This morning I had a pair of twins in one family, and this evening I had another pair to a different family. I've also had the "soft knock" at the door twice recently, one boy and one girl.
Now for those triplets to appear!
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#199515 - 06/20/09 03:33 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: Indigo Jo]
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Registered: 05/14/09
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Loc: São Paulo, Brazil
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I'm going to my 10th generations - no triplets so far. Only 4 singletons and 2 adopted ones on my 9th. Just for the record, I tried everything with this couple. Before the honeymoon I got them elated, fed, gave them both babyboost, applied cologne on both as well. When they went to the kissing part - nothing! Not even a single baby. Let's see what happens on my next generation, but I thing this is completely random. Think now I'll let nature takes its course and just go on trying without experiments.
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#199760 - 06/22/09 08:55 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: arnie]
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Registered: 06/09/09
Posts: 32
Loc: MA
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I just got my first set of triplets!!! :grin
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#199958 - 06/23/09 10:26 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: arnie]
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Master
Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 514
Loc: South Korea
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I GOT THEM!!! I GOT THEM!!! BOTH of them! Twins and triplets in the same generation!!! (sorry...had to brag!)  I started a new game with a "rainbow girl" and a brown-haired man, both of whom had $15 careers. They worked a bit, ate, and took a shower. Lilia was 24 so I thought I should get going with the babies. First time, no arguing, just jumped on the bed, perfect timing and TRIPLETS!! Three girls. Only problem is that one of the girls has been sick most of her life, she's had the grave illness and the infection AND hiccups AND a sore throat. She just about recovered from the grave illness when she was 9 (up to a bit weak) when she was hit with the infection. She went all the way down to extremely weak again. I've spent more money on this kid! When mom and dad only earn $15 a day, a $175 consult is pretty pricey...and Trishiania (something like that) has had 2 of them! When the triplets were 9 I decided that it was a good time for another baby. Along comes a single, a son. 4 years later, I thought I'd better get going as Lilia was 38. Again no arguing, and ...tada...twin girls! They look just like their sisters. I was saying over and over "I don't believe it...I don't believe it....OMG....I don't believe it..... I've never done a screen-shot before, but I think I'll try today. I'm so proud of this family!!!
Edited by ajuma (06/23/09 10:37 AM)
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#199969 - 06/23/09 03:50 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: ajuma]
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Master of Meditation
Registered: 09/13/06
Posts: 4896
Loc: London, UK
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I apologise if this is OT and rather gruesome, but ajuma's post about the sickly kid got me thinking (never a good idea). If a child dies early and the parents have had the maximum six kids, does the game allow them to try again? It would certainly be nice if they could. My instinct is to say no, as apart from anything else, the Families Screen would have problems displaying all seven kids. I'd guess that they'd be treated in the same way as those absent at college, although of course they wouldn't appear as a choice when the time comes to pass the family home to the next generation. I'm certainly not going to do any experimenting to find out the answer, and I hope that no forum members have had first-hand experience.  P.S. I almost forgot: Congratulations ajuma!  I'm jealous! 
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#200005 - 06/23/09 08:25 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: arnie]
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Registered: 05/13/09
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My experrment was a success! Although my twin didn't have any multiples, his daughter just had twins! In short... My triplet had twins. My twin had six singles. One of those singles had twins! Yay!
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#200010 - 06/23/09 08:36 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: AwesomelyPsycho]
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Master of Meditation
Registered: 09/13/06
Posts: 4896
Loc: London, UK
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Hmmm ...
In the last couple of generations my family have had twins, and their older sister has had triplets .. Interesting ...
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#200097 - 06/24/09 05:00 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: arnie]
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Master
Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 514
Loc: South Korea
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Congratulations arnie! About the sick kids, I've never had one die, thank goodness! I think you're right in that we wouldn't be able to have another one. My sick one is off to college now. I wonder if I choose her for the next generation if she'll continue to be sick?
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#200113 - 06/24/09 08:56 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: BayouBlonde]
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Master
Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 514
Loc: South Korea
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I understand what you mean BB, but I just couldn't imagine losing one of triplets! I spent so much money on her, but it was worth it...to me anyway! Plus, I got all 4 health trophies from one little girl!
Do you use the hand gel on the peep that was sick, or on others in the family?
Edited by ajuma (06/24/09 08:57 AM)
Edit Reason: asked about gel
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#200114 - 06/24/09 09:08 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: ajuma]
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Registered: 06/20/09
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I think the hand gel is used for both raising hygiene and health, so it could be useful to use on all peeps including the sick one..haven't tried it myself though!
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#200210 - 06/25/09 01:47 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: ajuma]
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Registered: 11/29/08
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I GOT THEM!!! I GOT THEM!!! BOTH of them! Twins and triplets in the same generation!!! (sorry...had to brag!) I started a new game with a "rainbow girl" and a brown-haired man, both of whom had $15 careers. They worked a bit, ate, and took a shower. Lilia was 24 so I thought I should get going with the babies. First time, no arguing, just jumped on the bed, perfect timing and TRIPLETS!! Three girls. Only problem is that one of the girls has been sick most of her life, she's had the grave illness and the infection AND hiccups AND a sore throat. She just about recovered from the grave illness when she was 9 (up to a bit weak) when she was hit with the infection. She went all the way down to extremely weak again. I've spent more money on this kid! When mom and dad only earn $15 a day, a $175 consult is pretty pricey...and Trishiania (something like that) has had 2 of them! When the triplets were 9 I decided that it was a good time for another baby. Along comes a single, a son. 4 years later, I thought I'd better get going as Lilia was 38. Again no arguing, and ...tada...twin girls! They look just like their sisters. I was saying over and over "I don't believe it...I don't believe it....OMG....I don't believe it..... I've never done a screen-shot before, but I think I'll try today. I'm so proud of this family!!! I have restarted my game so many times I can't count anymore. I just can't seem to be as content as I was with my very first family...but I had a technical issues and had to reload the game. In my experience, "Rainbow Girl" seems to carry the multiple gene. Each time I select her I get twins, no triplets yet and when she has a single the next child looks like the last. Has anyone else had the luck with Rainbow Girl? or any other characters?
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#200235 - 06/25/09 05:30 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: arnie]
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Newbie
Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 12
Loc: OHIO
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Wow! You all are so lucky , I have 5 families going on my laptop and 5 families ging on my desktop , some are in 5th or 6th generation and still no multiples. I'ave tried bb on both parents, double bb on one or the other, anything I can think of and no luck. any advice?
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#200241 - 06/25/09 06:45 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: marigene]
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Registered: 05/25/09
Posts: 74
Loc: Kingston Upon Hull
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I'm not so sure I'd call it lucky really. My triplets were all so very badly behaved - almost demonic! LOL.... and one in particular was beoming sick al the time. This happened to the point where I was spending $175 on doctors assesments, then more on the antibiotics and as soon as that was healed it was coughing, headaches, sneezing - the whole board. She was costing me more than I was earning on too long a basis. I ended up deleting the family as I just could not make any money at all. I was simply getting nowhere. Since she was only 12 years old at the time and was looking likely another of her sisters was goign the same way with her health being right down all the time, I felt I had no option. No way I could have afforded them BOTH constantly sick. The third triplet was as healthy as ever! Ah well....I have another family and I have twins. 'Amethyst and Amber' they are 13 years old and as healthy as they come!
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#200243 - 06/25/09 07:23 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: Indigo Jo]
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Hi everyone, this is my first post but long time lurker Ok so my first generation had all singles. My second generation had triplets and 3 singles ALL BOYS. My third generation had triplets and 3 singles ALL GIRLS. Yet to have twins though...
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#200263 - 06/25/09 06:00 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: SparklesSuzi]
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Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 12
Loc: OHIO
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"Ajuma" you mentioned "Rainbow Girl" several times, who is she, is that her name or are you refering to something else. I have not seen her when starting a new family.
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#200285 - 06/25/09 08:13 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: marigene]
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Registered: 02/16/07
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Loc: South Florida, USA
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I might be wrong, but I took it to mean that she was referring to the girl with the rainbow-colored hair. Haven't been lucky enough to find one myself yet.
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#200314 - 06/25/09 11:00 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: serendipity8777]
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Guru
Registered: 05/14/09
Posts: 743
Loc: São Paulo, Brazil
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Got twins!!! (after 20 - it's true!) baby boosts (10 each).
But no triplets so far. And the twins were the last two to come.
What I've done was to apply Baby boost before their kissing thing and be sure to start the kissing while they were still waving after the babyboost shot.
Question is: was that a coincidence or the thing really works?
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#200342 - 06/26/09 03:14 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: Krystal]
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Registered: 05/13/09
Posts: 12
Loc: OHIO
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I went through about 100 peeps looking for someone who had the name of rainbow, I finally did settle for one who had multicolored hair but I don't know if it can be termed 'rainbow' we'll see. I usually try to get them to level 3 on career if they are under 25. If they are over 25 I try to make them have a baby at 30. She was 27 when I started the game earlier this afternoon and I have'nt had a chance to get back into it yet so as soon I do I'm sure it will be baby time and I'll see what happens.
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#200343 - 06/26/09 03:15 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: *Moonlyght*]
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Registered: 11/03/06
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I must be very lucky or something, because in my very first family of playing the game, in the first generation, first try of making a baby, I got triplets. Then adopted a girl, and the second time I had them try, they had twins. And yes...they were all girls.  Poor Logi...in a house with 7 women.
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#200516 - 06/27/09 03:52 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: seesawstar]
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Registered: 05/13/09
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Seesawstar, that's amazing! I'd love to have a family full of multiples, hehe. Lucky!
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#201066 - 06/30/09 02:55 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: arnie]
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Trainee
Registered: 06/23/09
Posts: 36
Loc: Tacoma, Wa
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My fifth generation gave birth to twin boys, no multiples until the tenth generation when my couple gave birth to triplet girls. So if all goes according to pattern, then the fifteenth generation should give girth to two sets of twins.
I'll keep you posted if it does happen.
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#201099 - 06/30/09 07:32 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: Robyn Kay]
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I HAD TRIPLETS!!!!!!!!!!! (well, not me, the peeps!;) ) YAY ME !!!!! *clapping and jumping* Funny fact: it's 3:37am here, I screamed. Neighbourhood might think I'm crazy by now! *laughs* Ok, here's my impression on the subject: I'm on my 11th generation now. On my 10th generation I've applied baby boost 10 times each peep - mostly before making babies' time. Then I'd make them kiss while they were still waving from the baby boost. Turns out I had 4 singletons and 1 set of twin girls. When I started the next generation I decided to go with the genes and chose one of the twins to start a new family. First baby was a girl - no baby boost. Second baby was a girl - baby boost. Third pregnancy - baby boost - triplets!!! And now I go to 94 trophies! 6 more to go.  Description: Vivax, Leo and the three boys!
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#201111 - 06/30/09 12:41 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: *Moonlyght*]
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Three... Boys!?!?!?! You're in trouble. My mom even has a hard time with me !
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#201840 - 07/06/09 12:24 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: halidog]
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#202528 - 07/10/09 02:37 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: Krystal]
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Registered: 07/10/09
Posts: 15
Loc: NY,USA
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does anyone know how to have triplets on VT because i know know how to have twins and i did have twins sso if you tell me how to have triplets ill tell you how to have twins deal?P.S. replay
do you know how to have triplets? because i know how to have twins?
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#202532 - 07/10/09 02:42 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
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It's random cocacolie, you just need to have good luck to get them. A lot of people have tried different things like perfume, baby boost and even using genetics from getting twins in one family and it doesn't seem to be proven to 100% work.
I hope you get your triplets soon! Good luck with the kids.
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#202606 - 07/10/09 04:45 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: *Moonlyght*]
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Registered: 07/10/09
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how did you get all those upgrades on your house on virtual families and how did you get triplets and how did you get a car on VT?
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#202610 - 07/10/09 05:10 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: cocacolie1245]
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The car is a mod available in this forum. Many of the other items that appear differently in screenpics are also mods available in the same forum. As for triplets, it is random and completely up to luck. I have a 10th generation family waiting for their first triplets and a second generation family that had twins the first time. You just have to keep hoping.
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#202629 - 07/10/09 07:59 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: knksmiles]
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I did have a dream where my VF family had triplets.. LOL the fact I dreamed of VF would be good for the addict thread. I woke up very disappointed My peeps need their multiples too!
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#203301 - 07/14/09 11:58 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: serendipity8777]
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#203330 - 07/15/09 03:10 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: serendipity8777]
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Loc: Suburban Isola
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I wish I had a lucky triplet mom I wonder if you can get one of those with use of an imported candy You're so lucky serendipity! The family is adorable. *Pokes my peeps* Multiples pleeeaaassse!
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#203332 - 07/15/09 03:22 AM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: Lyssaria]
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I just had another set of triplets (it took me ages to have the first three, but after that my couples could have rabbit years! *laughs*)
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#203382 - 07/15/09 01:13 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: Lyssaria]
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I wish I had a lucky triplet mom I wonder if you can get one of those with use of an imported candy You're so lucky serendipity! The family is adorable. *Pokes my peeps* Multiples pleeeaaassse! Aww, Lyss I'm keeping my fingers crossed for your multiples. I noticed that I had more multiples the more generations I have. They're random but they were more elusive when I had younger families. Now that I'm on my 10th generation, they keep popping left and right.
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#203389 - 07/15/09 03:01 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
[Re: Lyssaria]
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Yep! I had my first set of triplets on my 11th generation and now I had other set on my 13th. I wish I had a lucky triplet mom I wonder if you can get one of those with use of an imported candy You're so lucky serendipity! The family is adorable. *Pokes my peeps* Multiples pleeeaaassse! Lys, what I've done for the triplets to come (don't know if it was just a coincidence, though) was to adopt a twin girl (hoping she'd carry the genes!) from the previous family and apply BB on both of them before the "honeymoon".
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#203414 - 07/15/09 05:27 PM
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I haven't had any twins either >_< I probably will only see them in the later generations as I'm only on my 4th and 3rd right now. Thanks for the advice though Moonlyght! I try to avoid BB though unless they failed to have a child
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#203907 - 07/17/09 08:15 PM
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i had twins
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#203908 - 07/17/09 08:21 PM
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Your peeps had more twins cocacolie? Congrats! I hope you get your triplets You can try choosing one of the twins to start the new generation after the parents pass away and see if that'll help with getting triplets.
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#204055 - 07/18/09 04:47 PM
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Twins and trips are SO random!! I had one family (Rainbow girl) have twins AND trips in the same generation!. I had one family where the couple JUST managed to have 2 kids...then when she was 50, (maybe 49) she had triplets!!!
I sure wouldn't want them at that age!!! lol
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#204258 - 07/19/09 07:06 PM
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Woohoo! My main family on generation 5 just got the family's first set of twins! I thought they'd have trouble with having single children too since their last attempt they didn't have any kids at all.
I never used baby boost or anything. Yay!
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#204509 - 07/20/09 11:41 PM
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That really is lucky skye! I hope you're enjoying the game so far. Best of luck on the triplets, I'll be trying for mine too!
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#204568 - 07/21/09 05:11 PM
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I chose one of my twins to take over the house, and she had five singles, and her daughter just barely managed to have three kids!
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#204707 - 07/22/09 07:52 PM
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I still have wait for my triplets, though I have had twins twice. Congrats Arnie!
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#204890 - 07/23/09 06:54 PM
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Congratulations, Safire!
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#205061 - 07/25/09 02:51 AM
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Please tell me how to get triplets. I am on Generation 10 in several families. I have evrything done except triplets,,HELP//LOLOLOL
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#205079 - 07/25/09 03:59 AM
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TRIPLETS......time to celebrate. Oh, wait a minute already did that, as this is the THIRD SET OF TRIPLETS for the same family.
Groan. Three sets of twins also, in 10 generations. But nary a set of triplets to be found in the other four families ):
Even tho my Uno family seems to have the multiple gene in great abundance, it does skip generations.
I need to adopt a set or two of triplets. How about it LDW?
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#205116 - 07/25/09 10:13 AM
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Lol! Thanks again Lewanda! Looks like I lucked out today. Two blessings, one of which involves 2 bundles of joy.
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#205119 - 07/25/09 10:56 AM
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I definitely believe our luck with multiples strengthens if you have it in the family's genes.. I mean it took me ages to get my first twins and then I get them immediately in the next gen? I like it though!
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#205199 - 07/26/09 12:00 AM
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Gosh, are we on to a secret here? Should we maybe jettison those families who are in 12 to 15 generations with nary a twin, much less a triplet combo to their name? Actually I have had twins in all but my youngest family. 1 set each to two of them and the other with 4 sets of twins! Well, that cinches it, now know which families to keep.
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#205213 - 07/26/09 12:18 AM
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I didn't expect to get my twins as quickly as I did, I assumed maybe I'd have to wait for at least my lucky number (7th gen.) or beyond but it certainly seems to be about luck to get that first multiple! 4 sets of twins? Wow! You've been very lucky with multiples gmom Congrats!
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#205438 - 07/27/09 01:24 PM
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Last night I got triplets for one family (and the trophy). I used a twin from the previous generation. She had fertility problems, so I gave her baby boost. She had triplets on the first try! This family had two sets of twins in the first generation as well.
I haven't had so many problems getting triplets as twins. If there are going to be multiples, 90% of the time they are triplets. They are still extremely rare, but they tend to be triplets.
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#205444 - 07/27/09 03:36 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
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This particular couple seem to have been particularly fertile; each time I brought then together to try for a baby they obliged (three times over on the last occasion). I can't remember any couples producing babies on the first try each time; usually at least two, generally more, attempts are unsuccessful. With several families I have to resort to Baby Boost after a series of failed attempts, and they don't always produce as many kids as I'd like; that is, the maximum of six!
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#205516 - 07/28/09 01:45 AM
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cool Arnie! on one family, i had triplets in the first generation without BB only once! it was awesome! they are SO cute! congrats
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#205519 - 07/28/09 02:17 AM
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The triplets are so cute!! And they happen to be my 2nd favorite of the boys. My first is my Bob Marley! Triplets are so fun I never want them to grow up.
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#205520 - 07/28/09 02:41 AM
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Okay VF fans and friends, I know triplets are a greatly desired event. But couldn't they please be spread into more than one of my families?????? Triplets, set # 4, was just born this afternoon to my family 2 [named, oddly enough 'Uno']. Along with 3 sets of twins in 11 generations, sure does cut down on the genetic diversity available.
They are going to be adorable purple haired girls....can't wait to see them toddling around.
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#205568 - 07/28/09 04:46 PM
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They must be really cute gmom! I wish there was more we could do to influence the triplet births in our more unlucky families.. or for people like me that don't have any triplets yet!
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#205620 - 07/28/09 08:57 PM
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Zia's life is going to be busy, especially since she now has six kids under 13!
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#205912 - 07/31/09 04:44 AM
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I had a family that had blue haired trips, and when the parents died, I chose my favorite trip to inherit the house. She was the female equivalent to her father, and she married the male equivalent to her mother. She then proceeded to having two sets of twins and one sigleton. The first pair of twins looked like her mother, the second pair had blue hair, just like her. The singleton is a clone of his father.
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#205926 - 07/31/09 06:09 AM
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On my games, I get twins and triplets ALOT. On a second generation once, I got twins.(!) The mom and dad had black hair, but the two twin boys had blonde, though..... Anyways, I have two sets of twins right now, and two singles. The two sets look different, but each of the singles look like a set of twins. They're all black beauties It'll be hard to choose just one!
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#206066 - 08/01/09 08:33 AM
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I did this and did that, trying to figure out how to have twins or triplets without leaving it to chance and I finally figured it out. It works for me, and hopefully it will for you as well.
TWINS: Use the fragrance on the man and woman and give one of them the baby boost. I have had twins every single time, even if they didn't have a baby the first time. I would try again when it would let me without using anything else and, yep, twins. I have had many sets of twins this way.
TRIPLETS: Make sure a twin takes over the house when their parents die. When you want them to have a baby use the fragrance on the twin, but not their spouse. Use the baby boost on the spouse. I have only tried 2 times, but both times I had triplets! I tried with both fragrances once, but it didn't work at all.
HOPE THIS IS HELPFUL!
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#206072 - 08/01/09 02:10 PM
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Oh! I'm so going to have to try this on my next generation!!! I have 6 kids in my family right now. Thanks.
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#206084 - 08/01/09 05:04 PM
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Thanks for giving us something to try out! I hope there really is a true method to get the twins. I know we've tried the baby boost and fragrances, but not in a specific way.
It really does seem that once you have the twins and they inherit the house, the triplets or more twins come by faster.
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#206093 - 08/01/09 06:15 PM
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Sorry, but the twins method didn't work out in my experiment.. I still believe the twins are random. No twins at all throughout the experiment, just single babies.. I tried: - Cologne on wife, Perfume on husband, boost on husband
- Perfume on wife, Cologne on husband, boost on wife
- Cologne on wife, Perfume on husband, boost on wife
- Perfume on wife, Cologne on husband, boost on husband
I did this with a fresh family and used backups to undo the child they had to use the 4 different methods I listed. I think you're just lucky with the multiples! Congrats on your good fortune, cindy!
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#206099 - 08/01/09 07:36 PM
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Mine just had the fourth set of twins in 8 generations. My very first babies in the first generation were twin boys. I've been trying for twins.
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#206102 - 08/01/09 07:47 PM
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For some reason, I seem to have better luck for making kids when I give the couple cologne and perfume. I agree with Lyssaria though, twins/triplets are random.
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#206103 - 08/01/09 07:50 PM
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I guess I was generic when I said use the fragrance. I use the cologne on the man and the perfume on the woman. Didn't even know you could use the cologne on women or the other way around, lol. Hope you're all having a nice weekend.
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#206104 - 08/01/09 07:56 PM
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The perfume makes the men's happiness go higher than from the cologne and the cologne makes the women's happiness go higher than from the perfume. It's because those fragrances are made to smell nice to the opposite gender. That's why I made sure to try both since they have different results in a way.
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#206130 - 08/01/09 10:05 PM
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Lyssaria haven't you had any twins and/or triplets yet? I have started reading regularly these topics just recently.
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#206134 - 08/01/09 10:43 PM
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I have had twins in both the families I'm running, no triplets yet. I got them naturally without the use of baby boost or anything else. I just didn't get them in my experiment using cindy's method.
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#206143 - 08/01/09 11:19 PM
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My very first family on their very first try got three girls. It seems to me there is such thing as multiple gene. I've noticed that choosing a parent who was one of the multiple kids in previous generation significantly increases the chances for twins or triplets in the new one. With some baby boosts it's almost 100%. I'm also having a little experiment. I adopt only triplet/twin and for four last generations it works.
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#206160 - 08/02/09 02:05 AM
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I do agree that choosing a parent who was a twin or a triplet seems to matter.
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#206344 - 08/03/09 03:18 AM
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I'm starting to think that once your family has a multiple birth, it'll run through their genes no matter who you pick as the next parent.. I just had my third set of twins:  Veronica was a twin, as you can see she had twins Rudi and Brendan. I didn't choose either of them to continue the next generation, and they produced some more twins anyway! I didn't think I'd be seeing multiples for a while. Perhaps it is in Tyler's genes now because his mom was a twin.
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#206428 - 08/03/09 06:53 PM
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I just had my first triplets! I didn't choose any of the twins to continue the family in this family and they randomly had the triplets after missing 2 generations of multiples. Yay!
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#206430 - 08/03/09 06:55 PM
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Congrats Lys!!!!!!!! I knew you'd get them soon! Are they boys or girls?
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#206978 - 08/06/09 05:25 PM
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#206998 - 08/06/09 06:35 PM
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Thanks etinka! They're getting older now and I love seeing them Even though 2 of them are quite naughty.. I actually found them both jumping on the bed at the same time.
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#207490 - 08/11/09 06:31 PM
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I just got two sets of twins in the same generation!!! YAY!!!!!!!!
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#207580 - 08/13/09 05:25 AM
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CONGRATS ON YOUR TRIPLETS LYSS!!!!!!! *clapping* QUESTION!!! Maybe Lyss or Havoria may be able to answer this one.... I was wondering if some particular peep is more suitable to have multiples. I noticed on my family tree that my twins were "the same peeps" twice, I mean, I had 1 set of twins on my 1st generation that were the same peeps from another generation. They were mostly that girl with straight hair and an orange-ish bandana Is it just a coincidence?
Edited by *Moonlyght* (08/13/09 05:26 AM)
Edit Reason: congrat Lyssaria*
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#207603 - 08/13/09 07:33 PM
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I've seen that happen also, Moonlyght. I also had one generation that had no multiple births but all the female children had the same head and all the male children had the same head. It became a little confusing when they all were about the same size. Has anyone had that happen?
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#207708 - 08/15/09 11:59 PM
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And adding to Moonstar question:
Has anyone ever had a multiple birth of an "exotic" peep? I mean, like Mohawks twins, for instance? Or blue-haired triplets?
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#207718 - 08/16/09 12:29 AM
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My first triplets were the blue-haired girls Moonlyght, which you congratulated me on earlier Thanks by the way! Some couples are more likely to produce children that look exactly like them or other children that all look alike depending on where they are located on the head chart. I also had rainbow-haired twins which are seen in the same screenie above. I don't think a certain head will more likely produce a twin or triplet, it depends on how frequently you choose those peeps which is your preference.
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#207730 - 08/16/09 02:30 AM
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My Uno....the prolific family....just had their 5th set of triplets in 12 generations. Also 3 sets of twins. And no, I
do not pick the next generation based solely upon the peep being
a multiple. More of the parents have been singles than not.
The funny aspect of this was, as soon as the babies were 'born',
mom Cassiopeia went DANCING!
The three girls are downright adorable with their cute blonde shags and blue print dresses.
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#207952 - 08/19/09 07:02 AM
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Congrats on your multiples gmom and AP! I just had two more bundles of joy on my main family's 9th generation and they're so cute!  Going to rename them Sahara and Verona I always keep the first letter of their given names.
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#208290 - 08/23/09 02:20 AM
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i had a first!!!! i started a new family, and i had them have a baby, it was twin boys. i was like oookkk cool! next time i put them together, they had triplet boys!!!!!! i couldnt believe my eyes!!! first generation, no BB!!! ive never had multiples in the same family before! its so awesome!!!
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#208304 - 08/23/09 04:06 AM
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That's awesome esther! Congratulations!!!
That got me wondering if anyone here had 3 sets of twins, or 2 sets of triplets (I think I saw that somewhere around here)
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#208307 - 08/23/09 05:51 AM
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thanks! congrats to everyone who has twins and/or triplets!! Moonlyght, i havent! this is the first time ive ever had multiples in the same family! that would be awesome tho!
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#208331 - 08/23/09 06:05 PM
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That's awesome esther! Congratulations!!!
That got me wondering if anyone here had 3 sets of twins, or 2 sets of triplets (I think I saw that somewhere around here) I have had loads of twins and had two sets in one generation. Almost every generation has had twins. The very first generation had twin boys the first time out. The current generation hasn't had any multiples. No triplets yet. I'm still waiting for that one.
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#208332 - 08/23/09 06:07 PM
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That remind me of a question I had the other day. Since six is the optimum number of kids any couple will have, does that mean that if a couple has had their fourth child, triplets are out of the question if they try for a fifth or sixth?
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#208340 - 08/23/09 07:39 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone has actually tried to experiment with that MoonStar, but so far I haven't seen anyone reach more than 6 children due to twins or triplets. So yes, I think after 4 children triplets are out of the question.
In Virtual Villagers, people do get above the population limit because of twins and triplets but I really don't think the same thing happens in Virtual Families.
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#208359 - 08/23/09 10:47 PM
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Yes, you have a limited number or children (6) in VF, and also a limited population on VV. While I was playing VV, the same thing happened - if I had like 95 people as a limit, if I had 94, for example, there was only possible to have an only child.
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#208379 - 08/24/09 12:59 AM
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There are people that have reached over 100 of population because of the number of nursing moms at the same time and twins/triplets I know LadyCFII personally has had 97 children without any cheats.
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#208387 - 08/24/09 01:37 AM
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Moonlyght, re anyone having 3 sets of twins...my Uno family
has, but not in the same generation. Think that might be the
post you are recalling. They also have had 5 sets of triplets.
And Esther, twins and triplets in the very first generation,...that has got to be a record. Congratulations
I agree with Lyssaria, pretty sure VF is progammed as max of 6.
Right now I am totally frustrated because Rainbow girl Bella and spouse after 2 youngsters seem totally set against having any more. And the youngest is now 7.
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#208462 - 08/25/09 12:00 AM
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After 7 generations and not getting 6 kids I finally got 6 kids again.  Here is the 7 generations ago 
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#208469 - 08/25/09 12:20 AM
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thanks! congrats to u as well!
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#208673 - 08/27/09 01:38 AM
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I made an experiment on how to give birth to multiple children (twins, triplets) so you can have them usually if you want many children. My hypothosis starting to be proven correct. If you want to help this experiment, wait until you have twins/triplets. Have one of them take over the family, have them married, and when they have their children, post pictures of the family tree. Tomorow, I will post my pictures of my Very very successful family, for they have a third generation twin. (In the past three generations, I've had successful twins!)
If you join in, thanks! Sorry if this has been done, I haven't seen it yet.
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#208682 - 08/27/09 03:59 AM
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A lot of people have tried to let the twin/triplet take over the family just to get a bunch of singles which has happened to me as well. In another topic we already kind of came to the conclusion that we should just pick our favorite to take over the family as opposed to one of the twins or triplets. You can read more about this in this topic: Twins and triplets questionMissKathy's post is extremely helpful with this: I just went through all my families (which are in their 10th & 11th generations) and this is what I found:
Singletons having twins: 8 times
Singletons having triplets: 5 times
Twins having twins: 1 time
Twins having triplets: 0 times
Triplets having twins: 2 times
Triplets having triplets: 0 times
I currently have a triplet who inherited the house but she hasn't had any children yet.
I also have 2 other sets of triplets that are not old enough yet. Looks like maybe choosing a singleton has the best chance of having triplets but I really think it's just random. Baby boost will increase your chance for multiples because it also increases the chance of a baby birth. Using your backups to undo a birth will also increase your chances at finding a twin or triplet since you can make an infinite amount of babies without having your peeps age. I really hate undoing births though. 
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#208781 - 08/27/09 10:23 PM
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*clapping and jumping*
Yay Lyss!!!
Congratulations!!!
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#209043 - 08/31/09 11:26 PM
Re: Twins and Triplets experiment
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im so excited... i just got my first set of blue haired triplets.
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#209058 - 09/01/09 03:40 AM
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You will have such fun watching them grow up [way too fast:) }
Hope you can share a pic with all of us.
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#209063 - 09/01/09 06:23 AM
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im so excited... i just got my first set of blue haired triplets. Wow!!!! That's great!!!! Congratulations! I had just a blue-haired girl, but by marriage. Imagine 2 of them at the same time!
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#220807 - 03/29/10 11:39 PM
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my one family had a set of twin girls named ava joy and leah hope then they had twins named tia destiny and alexa faith adopted a girl named zoe america and had a single named mia charity
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#221069 - 04/09/10 02:45 AM
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every singtle one of my families have twins one has 2 sets of twin girls one has twin girls one has twin boys another one has twin girls and my last family has twin girls
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#221076 - 04/09/10 01:18 PM
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my one family had twin girls but it was the first generation. My other family had random twins on the 4 generation. maybe the mother's hair color matters  the mother's hair was black so maybe that counts? But I bet I am really wrong. .. heh!
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Edit Reason: I just didn't make sense!
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#221078 - 04/09/10 01:32 PM
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no one runs in the family and the one with 2 sets of twins got lucky like the others
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