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#193315 - 05/12/09 08:48 AM Re: Gender inequality [Re: Squishedfairy]
emri Offline
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Registered: 12/29/07
Posts: 411
Loc: Land of oz,Ks
In all my 5 families,the fathers do all the housework.I can hardly get them to work.

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#193317 - 05/12/09 09:15 AM Re: Gender inequality [Re: bethlham]
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Registered: 05/12/09
Posts: 29
Originally Posted By: bethlham
Also, check the happiness meter...while carrying the baby my VF mother has stayed elated. So...she is happy.


I have to disagree with this. Maggie, my first adoptee, had some VF form of post-natal depression. The compulsory two years of carrying the baby (to date, she gave birth thrice) makes her 'a little blue' or 'depressed' all the time.
Maggie would end up sleeping the day away while her poor husband, Caleb, singlehandedly did the housework, interacting with the other children while trying to raise his career progress.

Of course it differs from family to family. But I don't find any gender inequality except for the carrying the baby for two years idea. That is ridiculous.
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#193318 - 05/12/09 09:24 AM Re: Gender inequality [Re: sapphyrebaby]
Simsane Offline
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Registered: 02/17/07
Posts: 538
Loc: Washington State
I know that I am not bothered by the fact that the mothers carry the baby(ies) around for the first two years and can do everything except their careers. My moms all seem to "catch" back up very quickly and easily. So far, all of my moms have been elated the majority of the time while carrying the babies, even the ones that claim No way to kids, but having one that's depressed isn't unthinkable.

But when people claim that the mothers are the only ones that read the recipes or do the cooking, well that's just plain not true in my games at all. I have an equal number of dads who do that as I do moms and in fact, I have less trouble trying to get a dad to make a meal than I do most of the moms.

One dad of mine even has a Like of Cooking and something else, which I can't remember right at the moment, but he actually often goes and makes a meal without me even telling him to.

I don't know, I just think this whole gender equality issue is, for me at least, a moot point. I like the game the way it is and find tremendous improvement over what the moms could do in the VV games.

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#193321 - 05/12/09 09:31 AM Re: Gender inequality [Re: Magesteff]
*Vanna Offline
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Registered: 02/02/09
Posts: 245
Loc: TEXAS
I have a mom on my game who has 6 children, is 50 yrs old and has mastered her career while her husband who is also 50, is still on level 5
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#193488 - 05/13/09 02:10 AM Re: Gender inequality [Re: Magesteff]
ajuma Offline
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Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 514
Loc: South Korea
I guess it depends on the family (as it does in real life!!). I had one family where I couldn't get the guy to work. All he wanted to do was vacuum and dust, while his wife was always working on her career.

Magesteff, try creating a few more families and see what happens. A blanket statement like you made raises the hackles on most of us! laugh
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#193497 - 05/13/09 03:20 AM Re: Gender inequality [Re: Magesteff]
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Registered: 09/23/06
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Originally Posted By: Magesteff
Originally Posted By: QuickStorm
I definitely can't agree with Magestaff either. How many game slots are your using? Maybe you should start another game to see you if get the inequity.

I haven't found what you're talking about in any of my slots.


Three slots so far, and the inequality seemed for me to be present before any of the couples had children - so they can't use the mom with children excuse.

Maybe it is just that the peeps (men and women both) have differing priorities, but I sort of wish that the women were a bit more work oriented.


I'm finally getting back to this thread. YOU can make the peep more work oriented. Each of us can mold a peep to what we would prefer. The artificial intelligence only goes so far; it is up to us what we prefer in our games. At least, this game allows us to mold our little friends.

To tell the truth, I still haven't had the inequity you mentioned. I have had females who had 6 children and still pass their hubbies to master a career faster.

The male peeps have done laundry, sewn buttons, dusted, prepared meals, called the children to brush their teeth or go to bed; all of which are domestic functions, without any prompting from me.

If you want a career oriented female, just praise her when she "works on career"; red slap her when she does laundry or any other domestic job.
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#193575 - 05/13/09 03:22 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: sapphyrebaby]
bethlham Offline
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Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 885
Originally Posted By: sapphyrebaby
Originally Posted By: bethlham
Also, check the happiness meter...while carrying the baby my VF mother has stayed elated. So...she is happy.


I have to disagree with this. Maggie, my first adoptee, had some VF form of post-natal depression. The compulsory two years of carrying the baby (to date, she gave birth thrice) makes her 'a little blue' or 'depressed' all the time.


Don't disagree...it's true for me laugh

Really though, if your's are blue or depressed try to continue to praise them for behaviors that you like while they are carrying the baby, even if it's showering or washing their hands or watering the flowers. Feed them a treat occassionally. That seems to help me.

As far as inequity, I have had mom's that have had up to 6 kids and still surpass the dads at their careers but recently I started a new stradegy. I go ahead and buy all the house repair kits when they are available and set them in their places. Then when time comes for babies, I let the husband work on the career and let the mom prepare meals, do dishes and put out fires, sell collectibles and complete house repairs. Then after the baby same thing but switch so mom works on the career while dad does the other stuff for a bit.

But, I do praise them until they are elated and just keep them that way. smile

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#193579 - 05/13/09 03:35 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: bethlham]
sapphyrebaby Offline
Trainee

Registered: 05/12/09
Posts: 29
I try to as well. Maggie's actually all right other than post-natal depression. (just went through round 4 this morning) no matter what i do, she just remains depressed or blue.
I do find that her happiness level tends to take longer to rise and fast to decrease. I actually let her do anything she wants (within reason of course, waking up at night to brush her hair is nonsense).

Maybe fourth time's the charm because she's much better after the first year of carrying baby Jerry. The second year was much more rewarding. She actually did LOADS of housework. She even competed with her husband, Caleb, for laundry duty (I swear, this family, including their teens, love laundry duty).
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#193581 - 05/13/09 04:04 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: Magesteff]
fluffysue Offline
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Registered: 05/08/09
Posts: 82
I haven't played enough to comment on any possible gender inequality. But I do think it's funny that the only thing the new mothers won't do is work on career---but putting out fires, fixing leaky sinks (with water spraying all over baby--or babies in the case of my triplets), etc.--no problem! laugh

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#193582 - 05/13/09 04:07 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: sapphyrebaby]
fluffysue Offline
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Registered: 05/08/09
Posts: 82
Originally Posted By: sapphyrebaby
The second year was much more rewarding. She actually did LOADS of housework. She even competed with her husband, Caleb, for laundry duty (I swear, this family, including their teens, love laundry duty).

I need to brainwash the next generation to like laundry. My little people are slobs, and I thought it was the children but since they all moved out it hasn't gotten any better. The parents even leave socks in the kids' room. shocked


Edited by fluffysue (05/13/09 04:08 PM)

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