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#187803 - 04/23/09 10:32 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: knksmiles]
Lewanda Offline
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You have to take them to their workplace and train them to work then praise them when they do. After that they'll do it on their own.

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#187807 - 04/23/09 10:34 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: ChildeOfPoetry]
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It would be nice though, if Mom could lay the baby in a crib to work on her career now and then.

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#187835 - 04/23/09 11:11 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: ChildeOfPoetry]
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Originally Posted By: ChildeOfPoetry

People used to say this about all media: “It’s a just a movie, lighten up! It’s just a commercial, lighten up!” It’s only recently that people have begun to take the media seriously and recognize the strong effects it has on our socialization. The media is more powerful than you may think!


Okay. I'm going to attempt to address this just for my own self, and I apologize if I don't do this well. I'm not that good at this sort of thing.

While you might very well be correct regarding the affect the media has on our society, I also know that the media has a horrid reputation for blowing things waaaaay out of proportion. That being said....I really don't see Arthur and Carla as making this game to be something that influences us. I'm a 31 year old woman, and I realize that games are for enjoyment purposes. There's no subliminal messages here. Pardon me if this offends anyone, but if perceived inequality and/or media influences in this game bothers anyone that much, perhaps they shouldn't be playing this game. Having said my piece I will now go back to being quiet. I mean to offend no one with this reply, and apologize if I did.

~Xay


Edited by Xay (04/23/09 11:11 PM)
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#187837 - 04/23/09 11:15 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: Lewanda]
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Originally Posted By: Lewanda
It would be nice though, if Mom could lay the baby in a crib to work on her career now and then.


I think that would be a great idea for future games smile and in two of my families the women earn more, i have no complains !
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#188146 - 04/24/09 10:18 AM Re: Gender inequality [Re: Magesteff]
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shocked Who said that the Mom carrying the baby isn't making any money??!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that the women get paid whether they are "working on [their] career" or not (I've checked my "$" button for details). Meaning that both the men and women are paid a daily income, even if they never work a single cycle in the whole game. smile (See this thread for more information on how peeps get paid.)

Those men and women who are set to "work on career" are working on advancements in their career. And are paid accordingly, on top of their daily income when they work a cycle. smile

Let's keep in mind that this game isn't about who makes more money (everyone's salary is agreed upon when we adopt or marry), or who works harder (that's what the gloves are for).

This IS, however, a game about family. There is nothing wrong with a stay-at-home/work-at-home mother/wife (or father/husband)! There isn't anything wrong with letting one of the two peeps get all of the advancements, while the other doesn't advance at all. Whatever combination works for you. It's your game. Make it fun! laugh
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#188147 - 04/24/09 10:23 AM Re: Gender inequality [Re: HappyPlayer]
Norah Offline
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Registered: 05/30/08
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I do wonder why the guy can't haul the kid around just as well. I would like them to at least be able to divide it fairly, like, with one child she has to lug it around, then with the next one he can do it.

Or just have the option to have them switch the baby from the one to the other.
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#188356 - 04/24/09 11:17 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: Norah]
Sihaya Offline
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Registered: 04/05/06
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I have two games where the woman works a lot harder than the man and gets promoted more often. They don't get promoted automatically either, they get a promotion when they fill their progress bar by working. I also have a man who is always dusting the furniture and cleaning the nightstand, and he even takes the trash out without being asked smile I think the inequality you see is a random combination of traits in your families.
Also remember that a lot of kids are playing these games. How would they react if they made their little family make a baby and all of a sudden daddy has one in his arms? Might raise some questions ^^
I do agree it would be nice if the father could take over for a bit and help in taking care of the baby, but I suspect the mechanics for that are a lot more complicated than it sounds.

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#188359 - 04/24/09 11:46 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: Sihaya]
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Wish I could get the "father" to take over the baby for awhile so "mom" can work on her career. Then I found that after baby, and a few "work units" she was almost equal.
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#188360 - 04/24/09 11:50 PM Re: Gender inequality [Re: tuse]
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BTW... my "Mom" earns more than "Dad" ...and after two days she of "giving birth" so to speak, they are both at same level in promotions
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#188496 - 04/25/09 06:50 AM Re: Gender inequality [Re: HappyPlayer]
Magesteff Offline
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Registered: 03/01/08
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Originally Posted By: HappyPlayer
shocked Who said that the Mom carrying the baby isn't making any money??!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that the women get paid whether they are "working on [their] career" or not (I've checked my "$" button for details). Meaning that both the men and women are paid a daily income, even if they never work a single cycle in the whole game. smile


But the women do not make the "extra" money and career advancement (which equals more money in the long and short run) because they don't feel like working. Again, this is not equal - the men do not take a turn carrying the baby around. There are fathers that choose to stay home instead of the mothers, to care for children. It would be nice if the men had to take the baby half the time that the child must be nursed - because that is what baby bottles and breast-milk pumps are used for. Again - it seems a bit unequal that the females have to take the time the first two years to raise the child, while the men do not. I would have thought, after the requests from all the other VV games they would have thought to have the child care duties split between both parents, that they would have made that update in this game. Since there is only one family, and only one set of parents in each game slot to keep track of, I would have thought it would be easier to code this is. Just something that says, when the child is 1 it goes from the mother charrying it around to having the father carry it around would be nice.

I would think that men might be upset that they are being left out of the baby's first 2 years of life. Certainly they can change diapers, wash the baby, feed the baby and carry it around as well as a woman can.

Originally Posted By: Sihaya

Also remember that a lot of kids are playing these games. How would they react if they made their little family make a baby and all of a sudden daddy has one in his arms?


How do you react to seeing a man carrying a baby around? I would say it is a good role model for children to see the men taking an active interest in the children when they are young.


Edited by Magesteff (04/25/09 07:10 AM)

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