I was so excited about this game when I found out it was released that I purchased it straight away from LDW.

upon which I proceeded to pay constant attention to it. I finished the game within 2 weeks and it really is a bad version of its predecessors,it takes longer to do anything in this game, you can only have a certain number of trees, so on and so forth.

all the while, watching my villagers starve because there's no way of getting food unless you get enough tech points, that are so hard to accumulate because the price of the tech is so high and the rate at which their earn, literally took them 90 plus virtual years. You will be disappointed with the game because you will realise that you've paid for a game that has no continuity once the puzzles are solved and they just keep having babies and fish and collect tech points but for what?


you can do nothing with them. unless you want to restart a village and solve the same puzzles over and over again, you're wasting your time as i did mine. I then requested that LDW return my money because there was a 30 day guarantee on it, I stated fully and clearly that i was disappointed with the game, upon which all the replies that i recieved from the software vendor accused me of lying, having no morals and then threatened me that they have "changed their policy as of yesterday"... refunds will no longer be available after 48 hours. yeah, whatever.


The guy at LDW was so darn cocky about his/her game that he was willing to promise a 30 day money back guarantee. after a few days of replies, i was so offended i told him to keep his money. i think LDW is run by children. not professional at all.

if you decide to purchase this game, you are funding the proliferation of a game which will never improve, because they think this game is the shindigs as it is.

I will let you read the replies from LDW, just PM me.

Hmm This quite interesting..

have you even played the first 2 games ?????
there are other things to do after you solve all of the
puzzles. you could try and do it in record time ,
or buying the techs in a different order. or try and get a tribe of all blondes, redheads or all dark haired.
it took me about 8/9 days to finish my first game.
i think that is fine for 19.95. i have payed that amount and finished some games in 2/3 days .

This is a game and a company that I really enjoy. I have a two year old and a full time job. I can take my time playing and enjoy my daughter at the same time. Life is all about how you see things. Try to find the good in life, it is there. Why did you buy the game? Did you try the demo first? You said you paid constant attention the first 2 weeks...you must have liked something about it. Anyway, I'm sorry that you feel this way. I personally can't help you with this. But are you certain that you and LDW didn't just have a miscommunication issue. In my line of work, that is usually what has happened when someone feels dissatisfied. I'm not implying that you are wrong, I'm only saying that sometimes when people try to communicate, each person may be seeing/thinking about the issues from various perceptions. Especially when someone is already upset about something in the first place. Maybe you can try to communicate with LDW again and try to work together to solve this issue.

You purchased the game, played it for two weeks, completed all the tasks. You want your money back because you are disappointed? Now, please, tell me where else you could have purchased two weeks worth of fun for twenty bucks? Be fair, if you hadn't liked the game you would have never played it that long. It sounds to me like you are disappointed that it was over. Start again, try a different approach. I've purchased and played all three VV games, and I love them. I play other games, these are nice because you can get up, walk away, and not get killed!

Don't you think that if you play again the fun is all gone? You already know how to do this and that.

If you played for two weeks, you should viewed a spoiler. It spoils the fun. I used spoilers for VV1 & VV2, but not going to use spoilers.

I believe ReneHoney was talking about VV3!!

I do agree with some of what she writes.

1. Accomplishing most tasks takes way too long..
2. Once the statue is done there's really no point in continuing, as all the puzzles are then solved.
3. Sure the graphics and all the cute little extras are visually pleasing and far superior to previous games. That doesn't, in my opinion, make the game any more entertaining.
4. Not as entertaining as VV1 & 2.

I can't complain about the company's service. In my opinion, LDW provides an excellent service. I've only ever know them to be courteous and helpful.

I haven't finished the game yet. But I should imagine, when it's finished there might be some dissapointment. But overall, It's not bad. Not as good as VV2 ( in my opinion ). But at the end of the day, it's just a game. Simply to entertain you.

I think your excitement is the problem. Many of the sequels and prequels to box office hits like Star Wars were harshly reviewed, largely due to unrealistically high, unattainable expectations, comparing them to the original. There is nothing wrong with VV3.

Well I got the game and played it for like 2 days and then have not played it no more. I find it not to be as fun as the other 2 games. Also it glitches alot so I just simply dont play it no more. To me it is just 20.00 but hey LDW worked hard on it and what I did play some I did like. As Tmac said also play it in diffrent ways, I now have a game I have not finished and one day I will finish it.

Sorry to hear that someone is that disappointed with VV3. I have found my experience of playing this time is entirely different than the previous two games, and I'm wondering if that is because it is a city? I don't know ... but I am not as engaged with my villagers as I used to be, don't remember their names, or nurture them to achieve elder status etc. I miss totems, the visual symbols of success, and symbols to proclaim that you have found all of the collectibles in each category. I like symbols

I love the fact that children can acquire skills before age 14; I love being able to train doctors at the health centre;
I had great fun trying out different magic potions;
I think the orchard and the honey are great;
I think the roster for the dead is a big improvement.

There, I do believe the game provides value for money.

I'm sorry too that you(Reneehoney) are disappointed with this game. But this type of game is not suited for everyone. Most of my kids find it too passive, too lengthy, and/or too intellectually demanding to engage their attention. Which is perfectly OK. Perhaps if you play some other games for a while and then come back your perspective may change? Who knows, you may fall totally in love with it? Anything is possible.

I'm sorry you were disappointed too. No game appeals to every taste. But frankly, I'd be a lot more sympathetic to your position if you hadn't by your own account completely finished the game, which takes a considerable amount of play, and were also familiar with the earlier versions which are quite similar in overall style of play.

To me, that's a lot like walking into a restaurant, eating every last morsel put in front of you from appetizer to dessert, then finally announcing that you didn't enjoy the meal and you want your money back. If I was the restaurant owner, I wouldn't give you a refund under those circumstances.

Maybe your looking @ it the wrong way? you can play diffrent Factions, and as said before, create a tribe with all purple hair, or blonde's, Redhead's...etc finding all the item's is a challenge in itself! {Spoiler Maybe?} [Edit - spoiler hidden] in the Magic Faction, the Sharks keep swimming past while your villagers dive for fish, as in the Nature Faction, the Shark's are completly gone. subtle diffrences, try again, you may find other thing's to enjoy... just a suggestion sweetie. but if you don't like, then you don't like, it's ok, can't please all the people all the time... hope you try it again, I thought it was challenging, and much Fun!!

I'm so sorry! didn't know that was not known by all! I apologize!

See, when I don't like something, I don't pay constant attention to it for two weeks. And then demand a refund. Honestly... good grief!

So you didn't like it... You have the right to dislike anything you want. But you don't have the right to a refund under these circumstances. Of course you were denied a refund. That makes perfect sense and is the only expected outcome of demanding a refund for a game you played (and finished) for two weeks after purchase.

Sorry, but chalk it up to experience and move on to other games you'll like better. And next time, always try the demo.

Most games are finished quickly. I enjoy the Diner dash games but would never buy one due to the fact they are too repetitive. At least with the VV's you can start new tribes, new people. In VV 2 I kept on playing to log voices, make certain villagers etc.

I just started VV3 and I see a lot of things I miss that was in vv2 but that doesnt mean I dont like it. Its just differnt

I, too, was disappointed with this game. I played it... to the end, as I have the previous two games. I may even play it again. But at the ending, when all was solved, I had hoped for a "secret city" inside the doors. There was basically nothing, and that was a let-down for me. Did I get ny $20 worth? Sure. What bothers me more than that is how most in this thread have derogatory remarks for someone that complained about it and told her story. You can disagree without being cruel and insulting.

This is definitely not a game for everyone. I enjoy slower puzzle-based games where you use your brains and those that don't involve shooting & killing things or where there's always a risk of another group coming in to destroy you if you don't build weaponry. I'm a peace-maker, not a warrior.

This is the first VV game I've played without resorting to Spoilers at all, I was very proud to have finished it on my own. I do think the Statue puzzle took a bit too long, but I am replaying after downloading the version .04 patch so I'll see if it's better.

There are ways to make replays more challenging. With VV2, I made a tribe of all red-heads, one where I let all of the villagers die off (naturally) and waited until only 2 couples of child-bearing age were left and then repopulated up to full again. I tried never picking coconuts, I tried making a village of vegetarians (tough, there's always some villager who goes off and fishes when you aren't watching and you cannot have more than 18-20 villagers at a time) I purchased the tech in different orders to see what was the most efficient. I love to rename my villagers ... I had one with all Star Trek names (yes, I know ... geek!), I made a King Arthur's court.

I can come up with some ideas for VV3 already. How long can you wait until you have to appoint a chief? Is it better to keep the village smaller/static and concentrate on research first and then work on building after you start a population boom?

I like the look of the villagers so much better in VV3, I think the potions are fun and I love the orchard. I still have my first tribe going, I am trying for all the awards.

My only real disappointment is that nursing mothers still can't do anything but carry around their babies for 2 years.

Some ideas for those wondering what to do after they finished the puzzles:

1. Work on getting all the awards
2. Get all the collections
3. Start a new tribe in the other faction
4. Start a new tribe and keep track of family connections

I did a version of option 4...but I just gave a few of them nobility titles. When I get all the awards I will start one with last names.

This game I am enjoying to see the various appearances that are maintained in the royal family. It is fun to see the same appearances over generations within the one family group.

Next game I am going to see if I can get a family of only redheads, a family of blondes, a family of brunettes, and a family with black hair!

While I totally disagree with the original post, for reasons others have mentioned before, I must take issue with the statement that LDW was 'cocky' in offering money back if not satisfied. Surely that's normal business practice? By the poster's own admission two solid weeks were devoted to playing it, which seems pretty good value to me. And then she wanted her money back?

Quote by Milou: {I had one with all Star Trek names } You would absolutly Love The Star Trek Mod For VV2... It has ALL the uniform's from "Next Generation" And Phaser's by the hut's etc... Check it out under VV2 Mod's!

Well, I have to say that this VV is waaay harder (imo) than the others. I am spoiler peeking left and right. I only used spoilers in vv2 for the stews. VV1, did all on my own. While I value the OP's opinion, I thought the post was pretty harsh. Especially to be posting on the creators website. As far as demanding a refund, I would say no way. I STILL haven't found the last rare stone in VV2! I want my money back! Imagine that. That's just silly. Now if the game didn't play properly I could see it, but because someone played it for 2 weeks, beat it and was disappointed....well...<insert choice words here>

BTW...I still have 3 tribes in VV1 and 2 in VV2. I check on them everyday and still searching for the elusive last stone!
I love VV and PT and hoping a PT2 comes out!

If ReneHoney had played for a couple of hours, was disappointed and no longer wished to play, then that would be justifiable in demanding her money back but to give a game "constant attention" for "almost two weeks" and finish it and then say that she's disappointed and wants her money back is lacking in morality. She enjoyed the game enough to give it her constant attention for two weeks. Two weeks' enjoyment for $19.95 is well worth it. The way I justified to myself buying VV3 was it's the price of two movies for days or weeks of entertainment. It's like if Rene had paid to watch a movie, watched the whole thing and been disappointed, then what happens? She'd go home and tough luck. Don't watch the movie again. I don't think the 30-day money back guarantee was meant for people who finished the game.

About VV3 being harder to gain tech points and it taking such a long time, I didn't really have that problem. I didn't have it with VV2 either. I only had that problem the first time I played VV1 and learned what strategy I like to adopt to play VV. If you're having a tough time gaining tech points, maybe you should try a different strategy. And the same thing for the people who think the statue took too long to complete. Mine took ~7-8 hours.

It's too bad your experience with VV3 is no negative. However, mine has been the exact opposite. I know what it's like not to get your money back (gametap/I took them to BBB & then got my money back).

Getting food is not only done with tech points. To me, VV3 is not a get-to-the-goal to win. It requires more patience and searching. It's tried my patience many times, so I just left it for a while til I could enjoy it again.

Maybe checking the forum for extra help, and start over? There are lots of surprises they don't even mention on the forum. I have 42 villagers, and they make SO MUCH NOISE! LOL I hope you give it another chance.

Well, I agree with the other posters who addressed these issues. I think this was more 'a rant' than an actual attempt to express a concern or resolve an issue.

I PM'd to read the replies and got no responce, my request was not even read so I can only assume the original post was a blurb and not an attempt at dialogue...Which is fine too I suppose.

At this point all I can say is...I think the game is great. I think it's well worth $20 to me and every experiance I've had with LDW has been awesome. They deserve all the credit they get and more.

Renehoney, you will get your refund, and in generally anyone who really is not satisfied or cannot get the game working does get a refund.

If you got in a long dialog with Carla about this, do keep in mind that she handles HUNDREDS of various support issues EVERY DAY these last days, and she is only human. Consider that you are talking to Barbara, Carla, and myself directly! The people that created this game are in direct communcation with as many people as we can possibly manage, and we really care about our friends and fans and try to make it a good experience for everyone.

Of course the game will not appeal to everyone...we are very very thankful that it does appeal to the vast majority of people who try it, but we make a lot of design decisions in the game that are going to be LOVED by some people and HATED by others. This makes the game interesting and not bland.

Again, we are sorry about you maybe having received 'the short end' of a very long day on our part and we will continue to do everything we can to stay close to our community and customers and we will try to keep everyone happy as much as possible.

Well as posted before that my game was glitchey off and on well I fixed the problem or my hubby did and I am back to playing VV3. It is a lil hard but I will have it done. I am not try'ng to finish the game in like a week or so I want to take my time and enjoy it. I think people where wanting the game so bad, that when it did come out people played it out so fast. Didnt take time to enjoy it and relax. I am not say'ng every one but some did. I think my 20.00 was worth it. Thanks LDW great game

You know it's sorta funny. I've paid A LOT more for some games that I play for a day or week, and then get bored with, or find too tedious etc. etc. etc.

What I tend to find really unusual is that NONE of those other games have: A) A forum which is entertaining and helpful. B) A place where I can actually TALK to the creators/developers of the game. C) Post comments (good or bad) about my satisfaction, or lack thereof, with the game.

I think a lot of the "dissatisfaction" with VV3 is due to the fact that "WE" were fortunate to get it "hot off the press" so to speak. It still has some (minor) issues for which the staff is working hard to develop patches. I've no doubt that these will be ironed out soon, if they aren't already.

I also find that the games continue to evolve in a most satis- factory way. Yes, it is different than VV2 was, just as that was different from VV1. I find myself spending MUCH more time playing this version, or more accurately, ACTIVELY playing it. I tend to micromanage the villagers on a level I would not have dreamed of in the previous 2 versions.

I'm sorry that some of you were disappointed with VV3, but as for me...IT JUST MAKES ME THAT MUCH MORE ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH FOR VV4!

there is a free trial, I don't see a need for a money back guarantee.. I tried the trial bought the game and played it. If I like it in the first hour and buy it then decide i don't like it later thats my own fault.

As far as negative responses from customer service goes they are generally recriprocal. If you treat others respectfully you will usually be treated respectfully back. If you are rude condescending abusive or demaning their talent at creating such an enormous project like this game is then you probably deserved whatever response you were given.

never really paid attention to the differences between the other games, took this one at face value and went with it. It is a different game with different tasks, goals, and ways to achieve success. there are things i don't like about t but its all part of the game. Play it, don't play it, but when you buy something if its used you own it IMHO

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I am not dissapointed with the game it is actually one of my favorites

I know this is off-subject, but are there Star Trek mods for VV3?

In a sense, I understand some of Renee's complaints. I was a LITTLE disappointed in VV3. There's a lot I'd have liked to have seen carried from previous games into this one. This is the first one I DIDN'T play the demo of. I expected more. It's frustrating at some points. But, as others have stated, there are so many different ways to play it. (As there were in the previous ones.) The problem I see is even if it was only played a couple of days, you get your money's worth, especially after "constant watch". $20 isn't much, compared to other games out there. I don't think there should be a refund.

Well, as has already been noted, you can't please everyone. Someone will always be unhappy. I've spent three times the price on video games that I've finished in a week, but the big thing is it's mine. I can replay it again on a harder mode, faster mode, using different strategies.

It seems as if the original poster was upset and wanted someone to blame because of their lack of creativity.

They probably would have been happy if a hand holding guide was produced listing all the possible things you can do with the game. I'm perfectly happy with the game, as I was with the first two. Some will love it, some won't -- C'est la vie.

it took you 2 weeks {of constant playing} to decide you didn't like it.
whatsamatter? slow learner?

don't give her a refund!

if you buy an outfit and wear it 2 weeks and decide you don't like it, do you think the store will give a refund?
no way!

i am not one bit disappointed
i lost 7 villages before i got the hang of it,
i now have 4 thriving villages and one starting out slowly {pop. 15}
i really like this game
thank you LDW

Yes I am very disappointed with this game!!!!
After buying vv1 and then vv2 I couldnt wait to buy vv3 and got it from ldw.
I emailed the forum to say it was very boring.
I have played it twice now, once in nature and once in magic.
Whoever made suggestions for this game should go back to their toys!!! when you have patiently sat through the statue (like forever) and had them pick up stones what is there to do?
I am still running vv2. still farming still banging the gong once a day... But vv3 with the glorified golden child is not worth the money I paid for it....

the "glorified golden child" is in VV1 not VV3

Yes I know that!!!! I did say I have all three vv's. You are an expert?

I think certain people need to remember the phrase "caveat emptor" - buyer beware. There's no guarantee that anything you purchase is going to be to your liking. You have to accept the risk that you could be wasting your money. Because unless the product is physically defective in some way and the producing company is responsible, the rest is on you. You paid the money, you accepted the risk.

If the end product is not to your liking then give the company constructive, polite feedback so they will have a better idea of what their users like and dislike. You're more likely to get a better response that way and to have your comments considered for future products.

But that's just my 2 cents on this issue.

I think Patricia was refering to your statement here:
which does seem as if you're saying 'the glorified golden child' is in VV3.

I don't think she was making a personal critism. Being an expert in the forums does not make one an expert mind reader.

I only comment because seeing seemingly personal attacks in the forum saddens me and deminishes readers enjoyment.

Aside from that, I am sorry you are disappointed. I believe the creators spent much time and effort trying to make the game fun. Perhaps we should give an 'A' for effort if nothing else.

Well, it's taken me a while, but I need to admit that the ending was kind of a thud. Actually, it was a heavy thud. (groan)

But it was really fun, too, though. REALLY fun.

So now what do I do? Go back to work? LOL

I think the OP was describing the Tribal Chief as the "glorified golden child", so saying you get a TC in VV3 is correct.

Caveat emptor, as always - it's easy to be so overexcited for something new that you end up disappointed, no matter what you end up with. I like that the game encourages you to play through at least twice and then continue to play to get the 'awards'.

I think I'll probably play VV3 longer than I played VV2 - ringing the gong got tiresome after a couple of days, and I don't enjoy making more elders (stopped worrying about it once I got all the different totem designs). But I'll probably take my two (one of each faction) VV3 villages and work for some of the awards - and see what different potions I can make with each (I like making my own recipe books!)

To each his own. I bet we'd all disagree on what the "best" movies or "best" books are, too.

I think you are correct about this...tribal chief = glorified golden child, according to the poster. I still think the poster was a little harsh with the 'expert?' part. Who knows, maybe you have to be a master to get some inuendos!

I just posted a disappointment in the game and although I am disappointed I find that it is really tied into some of the things we were used to in VV2 that are missing here. I like the graphics and the new things....I think having pineapples would be nice to have. Perhaps as they build VV4 we can make suggestions based upon tropical islands which is what this resembles. I know that it takes alot of work to produce a game like this...just wish that we could do something with those builders....maybe as they fix the bugs they can fix that problem.

I don't really have any complaints. I've actually restarted (slowly and much on pause) new tribes from VV1 and VV2. I think my only want in the next game is to have something besides the painfully slow *fixing huts* process for builders to gain skill once the building puzzles are finished.. maybe a woodworking table where they create mini totems or something, lol.

I think other players feel the same. You should make your suggestions for VV4 in this thread , the developers really read these suggestions daily. Shocking, I know! I think they'd appreciate the input.

I am disabled on a very fixed income so playing games online is usually the way I spend some enjoyable time. I usually play free versions for a while and if I like it, I buy it. Several times I have bought games only to find that I had practically finished them in the free trial and felt cheated by that, but then I can always play it again later. Sometimes I have told the designer that they need to make it longer, or change things in it, but I have never demanded my money back.

I have always enjoyed the LDW games. The main criticism I have is that they don't last long enough, but as others have said, I go back and play them again, usually after several weeks or when I have allowed time to dull some of the puzzles from my memory bank, which usually doesn't take long at my age.

Games are to entertain us for a length of time. Games are a product put out by a retailer that spends hours trying to get a product that is entertaining and keeps the gamers coming back for more. LDW does that and I commend them for it. Fixed incomes make it hard to buy all the games I would like to buy, but I never regret paying for a LDW game.

If a person takes the time to play the trial version first, they would have a very good idea if the game is for them or not. I personally thank developers for that service.

Thanks LDW for a good product.

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true i think this game is perfectly the best!

I actually like VV3 better then VV1 or VV2 On one of my tribes Ive bought all the techs and have all my buildings. i didnt even know there was a certain building in 1 or 2 until i read the forums! lol same with the GC i have never been able to get him, and yes, i have bought 1 and 2 but im not complaining and wanting my money back! its not LDWs fault that i have not bought the techs i need in 1! PT was ok but right now im obsessed with FT and im hoping and praying lol there is a FT2!!! (on my knees begging) lol LDW, keep up the AWESOME work! be even more awesome with FT2! lol j/k i love ur guys games!!!!!!

On the game VV3.I am not happy with this game somewhat. The island should be much larger, the builders nad doctors should have more to do, it takes too long to get points to advance. The chief should have more to do. There should be more herbs to pick and more trees for food. Growing the trees does take too long. If I were to pick the best of the three games I would say VV1 is the best with a lot more to do on the island.
I wonder when VV4 will be available to purchase. I am adicted to these games even though I am not too pleased with the last one out.

Honestly you all need to also remember that WE WERE THE ONES who suggested most (if not all) of the VV3 events, graphics, designs, etc..

LDW designers actually listened to us all when we made our wishes and suggestions known, but true.

I, for one, am very happy it takes a long time to finish the puzzles, it makes it worth the money I paid for it lol.

• it takes longer to do anything in this game, you can only have a certain number of trees, so on and so forth.

This is different from its predecessors how? It takes no more time to do things, though the requirements are different. You could only have one berry bush in VV1, and three coconut trees in VV2.

• all the while, watching my villagers starve because there's no way of getting food unless you get enough tech points

Again, different how? In VV1 you will run out of food and die without research. In VV2 you will run out of food and die without research. In VV3 you will run out of food and die without research.

• You will be disappointed with the game because you will realise that you've paid for a game that has no continuity once the puzzles are solved and they just keep having babies and fish and collect tech points but for what?

You implied that you played the other games, but you keep saying things that nobody who played the other games would say. This is no different than VV1 or VV2. If you had played those games, this would not surprise you.

• I stated fully and clearly that i was disappointed with the game, upon which all the replies that i recieved from the software vendor accused me of lying, having no morals and then threatened me that they have "changed their policy as of yesterday"... refunds will no longer be available after 48 hours. yeah, whatever.

The developer guarantee is the developer guarantee. The vendor is not the developer. Also, most such guarantees have nothing to do with if you like it - that's what the free demo is for, to make sure you like it. I don't know the specifics of LDW's guarantee, but such things are usually regarding technical issues.

With the cost of most games today, and the length it takes me to play some of them, I'd say two weeks of solid enjoyment out of ten bucks is pretty dang good.

Hmm... I've read the six pages of all this.

I think that VV3 is a story more than a game. Certainly, i found it fun when i could lead how the trive growed, but, for average console gamers, the fun is before an after the end. It is what is called replay value. And yes, i did it with FT, i got in unwritten and unprogrammed challenge mode, to finish the game on 40 hours or less or to get every breed. But that's FT.

What is worth to do when every puzzle is solved? Maybe some puzzles, some days, some people must interact each other. I haven't played the game. But some replay value could be the potions and its uses. The game is now released, so it can't be modified. But, what about studying something on an already finished puzzle, with maybe more extras from more puzzles, and a track of all the potions?

Well, those ideas dont come until i got the phrase "Replay value" on my mind. I liked the first games of LDW, i played until 3:00am, believe me... But since LDW got carried away with VV and no longer developed for palm, i lost its clue.

Well, it is only me. Barbara once said that i can say everything that comes to my mind, but on a entendible, and proper way.

Sorry, but I can only say that you were too rude, ReneHoney, like some others were saying, and that I am unhappy. Well, I guess I could explain my mood. Look at my username. Crazy VV3 Fan. Peeps who love the game like me don't like seeing these kinds of things. Well, normal complaints are fine with me, but this was anything but normal. Gosh, you didn't have to rant. *talks to self* "Oh boy, I need to calm down."

I enjoy this game

you see, now, mabye that new game (on the previews page) might take longer to be developed/come out, because of new software/programming tools, all because of that $20.00. i am sure that at least 75% of all profits go into making new games, so i am happy to spend $20.00 for an ldw game.

I'm sorry, but Ill have to partially agree with the original comment. It takes far too long to gain tech points to improve the life of your villagers. Meanwhile, what are you to do when your villagers are starving and you can't fish yet because you can't get rid of the sharks because you are 30,000 points short of upgrading your faction? I haven't finished the game and I still love it but that issue makes it very frustrating to play.

I've run through the game several times, but haven't yet lost a tribe to starvation. The trick is not to expand your population - at all, until you have lots of food. Even then, expand your population only cautiously, while focusing on tech. You don't want to expand when you can't sustain their needs, you want the minimum sustainable population; for me, I find 5 is a good number to aim for; that usually expands to 7 or 8, if children of the needed gender aren't born right away.

Personally, I've played the game on fast, and having the game whisked through all the puzzles so quickly really demolishes the sense of accomplishment and reward. If this were SimCity, it would need a faster pace; but for casual gamers, I think the pace is good.

I have been watching this thread for some time now and I have been a wee bit concerned by the tone the thread has taken at times.

The crux of the matter seems to be that some gamers find the game too challenging in the first part then not challenging enough.

The completion of the puzzles followed by the open end is what many people like about the game. This is not Grand Theft Auto and at half the price who could expect it to be.

The trial period allows you to see if the game is suitable for you and as far as I am concerned, any complaint you have after a trial which can last up to a week is more to do with personal taste than any serious issues with the game.

Gamers of VV3 have a choice: they can play the game on their own, working out how to keep their tribes from starving (this is a problem solving game - without problems there would be no game) or they can check out the forum for help.

Every consumer has rights with regard to their purchasing power. However, those rights come with responsibilities also.

I have enjoyed VV3, I love the story line. But i am more
attached to my VV2 villagers. I still care if my VV2 tribes
are doing well. But with VV3 i find it a pain in the butt
if i open the game and see 6 teenagers wandering around.
It does take longer for them to be trained. Even with the
chief teaching them .

I love all LDW VV games as they all bring different things to the mix. Each is played for it own value, and each are left running after completion so I can check on my villagers every few days to check all is well.

Yes some bits of each one can be annoying but that is part of the game play. This is after all a casual game, not a fast paced shoot-em up game or something similar.

But conversely I have bought games that I too have been disappointed with but in my opinion it's my own fault for not checking the game out first not the programmers.

I have played all three games a milllllllion times, and I love them all. For me there is Endless replay value.

I bought VV3 as soon as it came out because I trusted that I'd love it just like the last two and I was right! I loved it!

I think VV3 is my favourite (but not by much, they are all on a par really), just for the extras that have been brought in like the chief, the new scenery, the orchard trees that you plant yourself, the new sounds the people make and their new looks.

I don't see how the original poster was so disappointed (and compelled to comment on this forum about it!), if they've played the other two games. Surely they knew what was coming? Maybe they were hoping that this new villagers game Was a shoot em up after all...

The games are SUPPOSED to take a long time! What would be the point of plonking a scientist at the table, giving him one second and then Boom you have enough points to do everything around the village. That is what I would call no replay value.

I was not disappointed one bit with the new game, and long may it continue with even more new extras, secrets and tricks to discover!