i did look at my stats just now and see that i have 50 elders i don't even mind not getting the totems... i just like when it says 'esteemed elder' o well... that's ok. thanks LadyCFII
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i guess what makes me 'saddest' is that when my elders die (they are all elderly now), i will have no more esteemed elders...ever... (as long as i am playing the same game.)

anyhoo - must be said - can't wait til VV3 comes out... seriously, when is it coming out? sigh. i hope (if it is in the plans to even have a fourth) that you start VV4 immediately after VV3 is released... or even before