I am soooo glad you told me how to get detailed help. I would've NEVER in a million years have thought how to solve Puzzle 13! That's wild! Now I'm anxious to get started on VV2, I've only tried playing that one once before, and it was quite awhile ago, so hopefully I'll remember what I'd already figured out before. That game actually ticked me off alot more, koz I really didn't get very far in that one. Thanks again so much, both of you! I'm sure I'll be getting back to you about the other games...I have them all, I've just gotten frustrated and given up on all of these games, but now that I know there's help for these games, I'll finally be glad to get back to them again