WOW ... I just found out I have an ALBINO child -- complete with the red eyes. This is the first in the over 2200 hours I've been playing.

Last week, a blond curly haired fellow showed up in the children for the first time, and I thought it would be nice to see more of them, so when he came of age, I set him to parenting. Now my tribe of 114 has a well rounded smattering of small curly blond heads :D.

Anyone else have any interesting genetic twists to add to the list?

well i have all redheads....

wow!

I didnt have genetic twists!

I need more redheads! ( i have two black one brown five blonde )

A black hair x a blonde hair = red hair (very often)

(looks like cross-breeding in PT! )

LOL Laurence yes it does!!!

Yeah - now we are growing hair instead of flowers! LOL

could you post a pic of thre albino child ?
and i have had villages that had all blonde hair , all dark hair and all redheads

It's the white-haired female with the short "spiky" hair.

duh !! sorry i was having a moment !
i love that one ! there is also the guy with the grey hair too.

Yes, but the guy with the grey hair does have color in his hair and doesn't have red eyes.

I had a pretty black-haired girl with a streak of gray in her hair. I crossed her with a dark-haired guy and the baby was a grey-haired kid. I was freaked out at first, and thought maybe it was because Mom had eaten some bad stew while nursing! But every baby from that Mom came out grey-haired, and those grey-haired genes were tenacious! Half my island was grey. I ended up starting a new tribe partly because of wanting some prettier hair. I mean really...I dye my own hair to get rid of the grey!

LOL I used to dye mine but now I look likw the Villager with the grey streak!!! LOL

A mental-health moment?

i had a black-no, it was more brown-and every child from that woman was black hair. but her grandmother was a redhead. but that stopped when the last black died, even though it is going to start again today!

oh CRUD! i have THREE COCONUT HEADED KIDS!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

ALBINO!!! OMC

Rainbowlady333, what did the parents of your albino look like? Just curious.

well mine look like the seargent and the thick lipped girl

I don't have a clue as to her parents .... I didn't make a particular note of them ... just know she looks good in the blue and white gown with her white hair and red eyes ... kinda patriotic LOL!!!!

How do you take a picture??? I've always wanted to know how. I'd share it if people could tell me how to take a picture and how to post it!!! Also, you could see all the curly blond heads I have!! LOL

Yea, for a while, all I pretty much had was redheads ... wanted some variety, so as soon as someone different showed up, especially blond .... they had a lifetime pass for parenthood LOL.

I ALSO at one time had a couple of women who showed up with medium brown skin (or .. a suntan???)!!! would love to see that variation in there again ... sometimes they look a little "pasty" ....

The manner to take a picture and to post it is in Fan Art:
How to post a picture

I have a parenting pair, both absolute blondes, that produce a little girl with long, straight, black hair every time. The DNA and genetic structure of Isolans never ceases to amaze me!

This is my little blondie that has the back of his head shaved and curly blonde hair on top.

my triplets and the oldest villager.


http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/ckjunk/triplets.jpg

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/ckjunk/oldestvillager.jpg



She is soo adorable I had to add her to the rest of my pics.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/ckjunk/cutie.jpg

Is this the Albino villager? Sorry she has a little age on her now.
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q305/ckjunk/untitleda.jpg


check him out.

LOL Your villagers are very cute!!

i think she is the Albino

Is this the albino head in question?

LOL, I never realized that

Yes she looks Albino Jazz. i think ya solved the mystery

What I would love to know is even "roughly" how the genetics work.

Particularly whether grand-parentage plays a role.

For example, is a red spiky haired male qualitatively the same whether he came from a red haired father or a black haired father? And how many generations back, if any at all, would be tracked?

I'd also love to know what proportion of matings lead to a "random" offspring not normally expected with that pairing.

My room mate is convinced it's totally random, but it obviously isn't. Furthermore, true randomness is not possible because it must be coded. Even a random number generator is only random in theory.

I have had every female character in one of my 3 villages so far, but there are 4 different male types I've never had. Certain villagers I started with never appeared in the population again. It's curious.

Masao has red hair but his parents are dar browned haired and black hair.

In all the time I've been playing, I've only seen her pop up in my game once. It was during 4th of July time, and she looked very patriotic in the blue and white gown, with the white hair and red eyes

I recently discovered a villager I've seen only rarely, & I know now how to make him! Once I have the "ingredient", that is. There's a bald guy (VV2) that I always banish when he turns 14. Well this time I decided to keep him & made him the healer. I got bored with having only brown haired villagers & after awhile decided to find out what his children would look like & came up with...Curly Blond kid!

They are very cute.

Yes very cute!!
(I think the father is very blond and very short hair rather than bald)

Hahaha, maybe he shaves his head, like so many men do now! Yikes, I like hair on a man, the longer the better. I'm going to make one of the blondies the next Superfather & see what that turns up with.

I managed to change my all black haired tribe into an all blonde tribe with just female blonde. I now have 3 tribes one blonde, one red haired and one brunette!

I've never had any odd genetics! No curly people either, how do you banish a villager?! Most of my tribes end up with mostly redheads!

I've been trying to get a tribe where everyone has dark hair. That way nobody will have crazy-colored hair (green, purple,etc.) And I have learned a lot about VV genetics!

I've never had a completely bald man nor a purple or green haired

I think they are all cute! Although I do find myself testing the bad stews on the men with the wild brown hair and long narrow faces....

Hmm, maybe I am a little prejudice:D

i'm totally baffled when i saw a bald man with green stripes on his face ..

My tribe (has albino- like kid): (I hope this works)

He had white hair when he was 2
Now it's grey-ish...

he will have white hair all of his life. It is simply one of the villager designs in the game

so did i, 106 villagers all with red hair, but then a group of kids with blonde hair turned up so soon as they got old enough i got them parenting so now its blondes and redheads. my other village they all had dark hair, but the gong granted fertility and all the females of child bearing age became pregnant so now i have quite a mix. what i have had a few times is two fair skinned light haired parents having a child with very dark skin with red hair.

Update: (Now I have 2 of them, same parents)

What color hair plus what color hair=Blonde hair in VV2?I want to know cuz im blonde and have always wanted to have a all blonde tribe!

Well, blonde plus blonde usually equals blonde. And if one parent is blonde but the other isn't, there is a chance the kid will be blonde too. And I think (although I can't prove it) the grandparents, great-grandparents and so on can contribute to a child's looks as well. Like, a black-haired child could have two blonde parents but one of its grandparents had black hair. Again, I can't prove that one. Someone who has more experience with villager genetics may be better able to help.

Hi, I just joined. I think I may have figured out the key to determining which child will come from which parents. I've been working on this, and found a pattern. I decided to join to share it with others.

There are 30 females and 30 males. The files which show them are female_heads.png and male_heads.png.

By opening A COPY of those files, I numbered each "head" starting with 1 at the top, going to 30 at the bottom. I did this for both, the female and male, heads.

What I noticed is that the child produced is a basic average between the two parents. For example, if one parent is head #10 and the other parent is head #20, they will most likely produce a child with a head #15. Sometimes the number goes up a notch or down a notch, but it's usually very close to the middle.

This is why the black haired and blonde haired heads begin to disappear with red haired heads taking over. The red heads are in the middle which will be the usual place for the average of the two parents UNLESS great care is taken to ensure both parents have the same hair color (black or blonde).

Every now and then a wild card appears. Some of them I was able to figure out that it was the average, not of the numbers in between the two parents, but the other numbers. For example, mixing parents #20 and #30 would normally be written as (20+30)/2 = 25. That's the normal average between the two numbers. However, it's possible to use the other numbers. Think of the numbers going in a circle:

(Edited to explain that the BBcodes aren't showing up very well below. Look for the numbers in BOLD text and the middle of those numbers will be in ITALICS. I'll add underlines and stars to make it easier to see.)

The normal average would include the inside numbers. So (20+30)/2 = 25 would look like this:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 *25* 26 27 28 29 30

However, the other numbers could be used. That would look like this:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 *9 10* 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30

To determine this outcome, you simply divide in half the opposite numbers from above. So 19/2 = 9.5. This means the child will have an equal chance of being head #9 or #10. These "outside" numbers explains many of the apparent random children that are sometimes seen.

The larger the distance between the numbers, the larger the possibility for the child to be 1 or 2 heads above or below the actual average. So if you have parents #10 and #12, it's very likely you'll get #11, but you may get another #10 or #12. But when you have parents #10 and #20, the average would indicate the child would be #15, but it could be anywhere between those numbers. So a #12 or #18 is also possible. Not as common, but likely.

I've started keeping a chart of which parents produce which child, both by pictures and their corresponding numbers, and so far with about 25 sets, the average between the parents (give or take 1 or 2) is always accurate. It's so accurate that I can now pre-determine which child or possible children may result.

There may be some heads that are wild-cards, such as possibly the albino woman. I don't know. I started tracking this after I realized I was down to only 2 blonde males and 1 black male with all the others being shades of brown/red/purple. I'm trying to get the blondes and blacks back. So I'm trying to use the average technique to do this. For the blondes, I put parents with the largest numbered heads together. If I breed a 15 with a 25, I'll usually get a 20. Then I can breed the 20 with the 25, creating a 22 or 23. If I can continue this AND have the luck of a wild card blonde (or the albino woman), then I can bring back the blondes. I'll do the same for the blacks.

I'm also going to work with using the "other" numbers to try to get a blonde or black back. If the most blonde I have is a 25, I try to breed it with a 5. The normal average of those will be (5 + 25)/2 = 15. But if the "outside" numbers are used, then I'd have from 25-30 + 1-5, with the outside middle being either a 30 or a 1. I don't know what triggers it to use the "outside" numbers. I'll have to keep breeding and keeping track of the children to see if there's a pattern to determine which set of numbers are used for the average which determines the child.

I hope this isn't too confusing. Just think of the 1 through 30 as a loop. The parents will be two of the numbers. And the numbers between them, either way, can be used to determine the child. It's almost always the normal average, but on occasion, the other numbers are used to get what appears to be a very random child. Only it's not random. It's just the result of using the other set of numbers in the loop.

So far, I have only found 1 parents/child combination which does not follow this pattern. The parents are #9 and #10 with the child being a #18. Obviously, the normal average would be 9.5, making it so either a 9 or 10 child would result. If the "outside" numbers were used (1-8 + 11-30) = (8 + 20) = 28. Divided by 2, you'd get 14. The child is 4 points away from that average which is more than I've seen in all my other calculations. So that one does not fit either average. It could be just a simple larger margin from the average since the averaged numbers are so high, but it's the only 4 point spread from the middle I've seen so far. All others are within 1 to 2 from the average. So I'd expect a 12, 13, 14, 15, or 16, but not an 18.

Sorry this was so long, but it's hard to explain. I hope some of this makes sense the way I've written it. I'll keep tracking the pattern to see what else I can figure out.

..................interesting

Wow, Complexity, that is very neat! I hope by using this formula you will be able to achieve your goal of creating more blondes and blacks!

Wow! That was very astute of you, and must have taken a lot of work to figure out! Thank you for sharing it with us!

P.S. Don't forget to post your intro and pleasestate whether you're a guy or gal!

Bravo Complexity!

that is very interesting, complexity.

I just found another one that doesn't fit the pattern. Parents are #14 and #15, but the child is a #9. He's the only black haired child I have now.

I wonder if in these cases, only one half of the "outside" numbers are being used? For the first example, parents are #9 and #10 with the child being #18, if you only consider the larger part of the "other numbers" (numbers 11-30), the 18 might make better sense. 11 + 30 = 41. Half would be 20.5 so a #20 or #21 are equally in the middle. So an 18 is only 2 points away from that middle.

In my other example, with parents being #14 and #15, one set of numbers is 1-13. So 1 + 13 = 14, divided in half = 7. 9 is just 2 points away.

It's interesting to note that in both cases, the parents were only 1 point away from each other.

Two of these examples isn't enough to verify a pattern, but it's something to watch for. If this does turn out to be a pattern, then that'll be the key to getting black or blonde haired heads when you don't have any to start with.

My kids have to grow up so they can breed for me to try this out more. Some of my elderly adults are dying out so, hopefully, I'll have enough available characters to try this out when the kids turn 18.

My brains busted

Very interesting, Complexity! This could be a very handy formula for if I'm ever desperate for a certain head type.

Actually, it didn't take very long at all. I simply numbered the "heads" and then tracked the parent/child outcomes with the numbers. The average just popped right out at me. Fiddling with some of the oddball cases has led me to a few hypothesis, but I haven't had enough happen to make a solid determination yet.


I'm not much for intros. But I added my first name to the sig line to answer the "he or she" question.

I've been known to do that. Hence, my ID of "Complexity".

For now, just consider the average between the two parents. That's what happens most of the time.

All the rest is just my fiddling with the few oddball cases that don't fit that pattern. Their so few, it's not a big deal to worry about. The only reason I'm even thinking of those cases is because I'm trying to find a way to get a black or blonde when I have neither.

Hey, Vicki, are you by any chance a scientist?

Nope, not a scientist. Just a stay-at-home Mom.

But I will admit that math, engineering, logic are some of my strong points. I also used to program for IBM and then privately on my own small business so I tend to think about computer programs being performed with a mathematical basis.

Either the outcomes are random or there has to be some kind of mathematical equation that determines the child. Given that the program states that the children take on the parents' characteristics, it's not random. So all thats left is a mathematical equation.

You should consider an intro though, even if all you do is say "Hi."

That is an amazing(!!) piece of figuring! I may just have to print that out and use it daily!

I have a small list, here it is:
Villager Genetics
Brown + Albino = Redhead
Brown + Black = Black

Note that this worked at least 2 out of 3 times, so it is usual.

I thought it was something to do with maths

For anyone in the future following the thread... I started a different thread which not only explains my idea, but includes pictures and charts which makes things much easier to understand. I thought it would be better to start it off fresh rather than have it buried so many pages deep in this thread, especially since the concept that the children are the result of the parents' average is a new idea in general. The other thread is here:

http://www.ldwforums.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=132603

I had a black and brown head tribe. Somehow made them turn redhead with the blond son of a blond guy. (Sort nof like the one that doesn't go with the numbers).

Wow I often never get red heads