If this is the case, then please could someone help me understand borgs file of what is needed for what _bug_ because I simply don't get it. I have everything written down that is linked to these 2 bugs and spent 2 hours last night pouring over the info on this forum until my head hurt. It's irritating because I don't consider myself an unintelligent person and I know there are people on here who have just clicked with the list plants and tiers and goodness knows what but the more I look at it, the more confused I became. Has anyone got any pictures of a 4 tier foliage multiflora or a 4 tier ridgeball??!!